Cheryl "A diverse society is more interesting, stimulating and rewarding to live in than a monoculture"

What of those who don't share this opinion?
Where can they go? Sooner or later every nook and cranny of the West will be "multified".

Where do you go if you just want to experience "Dutch" culture, but there's nowhere left in the Netherlands that is "Dutch-only", *everywhere* is "multified"?

Every culture in your "diversity" is in and of itself a singular culture.
And the only reason any of them exist is because they were *not* all mixed together, but existed in separate locations and ancestries.

Mixing everyone together will actually *destroy* genuine cultural diversity.
But you're not interested in genuine cultures, you just want superficial titillating distractions to stop the boredom.

Divergence "I am just not convinced that the problems are due to race rather than culture"

The two are inextricably linked.
You can't have Dutch culture without Dutch people.

Can black, brown, yellow people ever be truly "Dutch"?
If they somehow achieved that miracle, it would be at the expense of their *own* ancestral heritage.
A Tibetan who "became" Dutch would cease to be "Tibetan", would sever an ancient connection.

Is this really a better future for mankind: disconnected, decontextualized all-and-nothing people?

The whole multi-thing, detaching cultures and peoples from any context, is dishonest, disrespectful and can only fail in the end (very nastily), as it satisfies nobody's genuine social instincts.

Hi Shockadelic,

Your cookie-cutter definition of 'culture' is a bit old-hat - people, individuals, can be bicultural, even multicultural, able to speak a number of languages, feeling comfortable in different settings, 'being' a different person in different settings - in effect, say, 'being Dutch' in the company of other Dutch, 'being Australian' in the company of other Australians (often the same people), perhaps 'being Friesian' in the company of other Friesians. Just as someone can 'be a teacher' in the company of other teachers, and 'be a rev-head' in the company of other rev-heads.

Our identity is very much multi,and 'culture' is a very protean concept, depending on the situation one may be in, and who one may be with. Unless, of course, you're confusing 'culture' and 'race'.

Cheers,

Joe

You are promoting genocide. Hitler is *your* buddy, not mine.
Shocadelic,
given half a chance you might actually surprise yourself.

Yes, the "Australian poet", and white nationalists (as they are politely described in the USA) have been attempting to elevate Birrell as Australia's (only) authority on immigration while denigrating Salt i.e. trying to shut down debate which may view immigration and "others" as +ve for Australia.

Cheryl, don't bother trying to use logic and evidence as those with strong beliefs will ignore and continue circular arguments...... while offering neither evidence nor solutions.

Loudmouth "Your cookie-cutter definition of 'culture' is a bit old-hat"

It's multiculturalists who trivialise ethnicity.
Each is a pretty decorative box of superficial kitsch, only existing to distract middle class whites from their suburban boredom.

And when they're not entertaining you, the coloured people can do the dirty jobs.
You're just 19th century imperialists in new clothes.

"individuals, can be bicultural, even multicultural"

But a *mass* of people will inevitably merge. Only in the initial stage will you have "diversity".
Over many generations you get syncretism, biological and cultural synthesis.

"Australians" are ourselves a merged people, a combination of the various ancestries of the British Isles and, to a lesser degree, other Europeans.
We merged, becoming a distinct ethnic type. We didn't remain "diverse".

Syncretism brings you back to Monoland again.
A different Monoland, that takes some time to develop, but a Monoland just the same.
Meanwhile, mixing and merging will have destroyed the genuine originals.

"Friesian, teacher, rev-head"

Yes, people can be complex.
Cultures can be complex.
But they can't be *everything* at once.
You can't be "Morman Wiccan cannibal vegan luddite astronaut".
Nor can a people or culture.

"Unless, of course, you're confusing 'culture' and 'race'."

I'm not confused at all.
Race is biological variation.

But racial and cultural variants developed in *tandem* historically, which is why it's preposterous to try and detach them from each other.
You only have "Dutch" culture because you have biologically "Dutch" people, and vice versa.

People can have multiracial origins.
But you only have "multi" for while, then you don't.
Mixed = Mono. A new mono, but still mono.

Switch on one allele (black hair), and you switch off alternatives (red hair).

There many peoples with hardly any allele variation.
Same hair, eye colour, head shape, body type, little sexual differentiation.
"Whites" have an incredible allele variety.
Do you want red hair or green eyes to be "switched off" *forever*? You can't get them back once they're gone.

"Enlightened" multiculturalists are often hysterical about endangered species.
Save the yellow-speckled dimitugu!

But human biological variants are to be ignored, denied, obliterated!
Who's confused?

Yes Andras, the USA anti-pop and race connection is worth a story in itself.

Let me pop another cherished anti-pop belief. Since 2007 the SPA and their ACF acolytes have been moaning that the expansion of cities is destroying our food growing potential. This is rubbish. We are one of the worlds largest producers of food.

According to the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) there has been a trend of diminishing agricultural land since 1976, when Australia boasted nearly 490 million hectares that was either arable, dedicated to permanent crops or suitable for grazing. Over 33 years, that area diminished by 16 per cent. Shock Horror! Why?

The Government set aside more than 21 million hectares — a space roughly comparable in size to Britain — into "conservation and natural environments". The anti-pops won't tell you about that. The anti-people lobby is cunning and a major embarrassment to the Greens.