Guys, gravity is the only scientific conclusion I would consider 'settled'. I have tested the hypothesis, personally, on numerous occasions.
Posted by Prompete
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Gravity is a simple observation. As for what causes it if you know the answer, you know something the rest of the science world doesn't.

Comparing gravity to our knowledge of climate change we have the observation that temperatures have steadily increased since the the 1970s. We also have observed an increase the level of heat absorbing gases in the atmosphere. We have been able to determine that these gases have originated from human activity. We have numerous observations about the way heat is radiated from objects and how it is absorbed. We have a good theoretical understand of how this works ranging across many disciplines from thermodynamics, quantum physics, and optics.

The scientific debate about whether CO2 would cause an increase in global temperatures was lost some time around the late 1930s, judging by the fact it took the catholic church over 400 years to accept the earth was rotating around the sun. I am not hopeful that some people will ever be able to understand the basic science

Prompete, you are sadly correct; people like LePage, Poirot and warmair, whatever their base intelligence, do not use any of their intelligence in a critical way when it comes to AGW.

They believe; and like all believers, when their belief is shown to be based on rubbish, as I have done immediately above with my last post on tamino, and there are countless other examples where the climate scientists are wrong, or have lied, they become defensive and angry.

The capacity to believe is a quality in humanity which can fortify us when times are tough and have positive outcomes.

However on other occasions the act of believing can corrupt and taint core values and processes. AGW is an example of this where its believers are perverting science and even the democratic process.

For this reason people who believe in AGW are the enemies of enlightened, reason based and open and transparent society.

Temp anomaly 1998 to 2013/increased Co2%. Correlation/causation? Hmmm.

Did I read that some ice core data indicated a Co2/temp correlation in reverse?

This has all been argued here in depth.

I think we can expect another 'extinct' species to appear somewhere it shouldn't.

Ah, warmair, I'm very pleased you raised this issue about gravity, because M. LePage, discussed this earlier in the "debate".

Posted by Robert LePage, Tuesday, 1 January 2013 8:44:12 AM - "Well I walk about on the surface of the earth without flying off into space by reason of a force called gravity".

I was going to mention it back then, but thought better of it as it seemed petty. But now you've brought the subject up, I'm keen to clarify matters of the error by LePage.

Firstly, I'm pleased to see that you know your stuff about gravity - about it being something no one on Earth knows what it is. In fact there is a 100% consensus amongst scientists about that, I believe.

The error by LePage is that he calls it a force. Unfortunately, he is not alone in this error. That error is taught willy-nilly all over the place, by scientists, with degrees, with maybe even doctorates, to unwitting children and students, and all over the Internet, and in common conversation, yet the expression is wrong. It just goes to show that not all scientists, including "climate" scientists (whatever that means) always get everything correct all of the time. Even when there is consensus and authority. Common and colloquial knowledge doesn't mean it's correct.

To be correct about gravity, it's an acceleration and not a force.

It fits with the formula Force = Mass x Acceleration (f=ma). Without mass, gravity doesn't exist. It's a unidentified and not understood peculiar attribute of anything with mass. No one knows what it is. But for sure, gravity is not a force. There is a force created by gravity inherent in a mass, but it's called weight. Weight is the force of gravity.

The point here is that LePage goes around sounding off about science like he knows stuff but can't even get that correct. As you say, that's "something the rest of the science world doesn't" know. If they don't understand gravity. How can anyone be confident that they're correct about CO2? The science is definitely not settled.

cohenite,

Perhaps I am thick...but Jim Goodridge wrote:

"Taking the sunspot numbers since 1900 and plotting an 11-year running average
Results in a graph showing an increasing trend for 110 years."

That's a "running average".

Tamino said:

"Is that really so? Let's take a look."

So the moving average failed to show Goodridge's increasing sunspot trend...and the trends in sea surface temperature and sunspot trends are not similar - (citing Goodridge's running average comparison)

End of episode.

Poirot, says:

“End of episode.”

No.

Goodridge made a mistake; he thought an 11 year smoothing of an 11 year phenomenon would show its trend; it doesn’t; it accentuates the cycle to cycle variations while disguising the trend.

Tamino is a time series expert; he knew Goodridge had made a mistake; not about the trend but the method of showing it. If you use a proper 1 month smoothing of the sun-spot cycle you get this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Sunspot_Numbers.png

And I have showed you the trend:

http://woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/mean:12/trend/plot/sidc-ssn/from:1880/mean:12/normalise/scale:5/trend

If tamino were an honest broker, interested in only the science, he would have said to Goodridge that he had made a mistake and shown him the proper way to show the real sun-spot trend.

But he is not an honest broker; he is more interested in ridiculing non-believers.

IMO he is not a scientist.

The fact is that it is becoming more and more apparent that solar is the climate mechanism.

I don’t think you are thick poirot but you have allowed your need to believe in this rot to circumvent your capacity to understand the chicanery which AGW science is.

Go away, take warmair and the buffoon, LePage, with you and try and think about it.