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On ‘belief’ and ‘denial’ : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 27/12/2012

Further, the doomsayers accuse old-fashioned empiricists like me of being 'deniers' or 'denialists' because we do not accept their faith.

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Yes, that’s right Poirot; Goodridge was correct about solar and temperature but made a mistake in showing why; tamino picked up on the mistake and ignored the substantive point; that was his deceit and yours; you’re not wet kiddo, you’re under ice.

Grimm by name and misinformation.

Grimm gets his info straight from the horse’s mouth:

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/statements/scs43a.pdf

BOM is pushing this for all it can. It must be an election year. It ignores the issue of adjustments to previous temperature in the beginning of Australia’s temperature record; see:

http://joannenova.com.au/2010/07/australian-warming-trend-adjusted-up-by-40/#more-9646

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/37716308

And generally:

http://www.waclimate.net/extreme-temperatures.html

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/11/extreme-heat-in-1896-panic-stricken-people-fled-the-outback-on-special-trains-as-hundreds-die/#comment-1168310

As for CONUS, the US, having its hottest year; no;

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/06/does-noaas-national-climatic-data-center-ncdc-keep-two-separate-sets-of-climate-books-for-the-usa/

And no mention of the much colder winters now being experienced in China, India and Siberia. That is, it is now hot in Australia and colder in the Northern hemisphere; which will mean global average temperatures are still falling.

This heatwave has given Alarmism another opportunity to waste taxpayers’ money, distort the science and prevent research into the real climate drivers.

AGW is a scandal.

And what odds for a cold snap soon:

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/sub_surf_mon.gif

The cold water is pooling and the sun is cooling. It will almost be worth it to see and hear the inner city greenies scream when the power is off and the sleet and snow is falling.

Make sure you get a woollen burqa Poirot!
Posted by cohenite, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 8:15:29 AM
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"the buffoon, LePage,"

Would that be an ad hominem cohenite? Really I thought that was the last resort of the desperate?
Posted by Robert LePage, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 8:22:52 AM
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A letter printed in the Sunshine Coast Daily says it all.

Reflections (SCS Jan 6) on the nativity and baby Jesus story fails to realize that his Jesus Christ will be our savior message is probably the overriding impediment to action on climate change.
Those politicians most outspoken against the science of global warming have a common link to childhood religious fundamentalist indoctrination. The belief that it is God and not man who now controls our climate may now prove to be the biggest single factor which prevents the timely action needed to address the most serious problem ever to confront humanity for the past 250,000 years.
In denying the science of climate change you are denying the findings of physics, chemistry, glaciology, oceanography, microbiology, statistics, ethnology, ornithology, meteorology, paleontology, climatology, zoology, botany, earth science and logic. God may have his place for many, but it will be our acceptance of science that will decide the future of humanity
Posted by Robert LePage, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 8:40:16 AM
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Here comes Lord Monckton.

http://climatecrocks.com/2013/01/09/lord-monckton-heads-down-under-to-remind-australians-there-is-no-global-warming/

(and isn't it great that BOM has been given the opportunity to extend its decor by adding a new shade of purple to its heat index - another upside to warming perhaps?)
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 1:52:10 PM
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AGW Believers

Despite all your huffing and puffing, AGW remains just an hypothesis.

If you are aware of any scientific paper that has been able to measure the human influence on global warming, please let us know.
Posted by Raycom, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 2:34:59 PM
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For starters:

1. IDAG (International ad hoc Detection and Attribution Group). Detecting and attributing external influences on the climate system: A review of recent advances. J. Clim. 18, 1291–1314

2. Hegerl, G. C. et al. Multi-fingerprint detection and attribution of greenhouse-gas and aerosol-forced climate change. Clim. Dyn. 13, 613–634

3. Tett, S. F. B., Stott, P. A., Allen, M. R., Ingram, W. & Mitchell, J. Causes of twentieth-century temperature change near the Earth’s surface. Nature 339, 569–572

4. Zhang, X., Zwiers, F. W. & Stott, P. A. Multi-model multi-signal climate change detection at regional scale. J. Clim. 19, 4294–4307

5. Stott, P. A. Attribution of regional-scale temperature changes to anthropogenic and natural causes. Geophys. Res. Lett. 30, 1724, doi:10.1029/2003GL017324

6. Gillett, N. P., Zwiers, F. W., Weaver, A. J. & Stott, P. A. Detection of human influence on sea level pressure. Nature 422, 292–294

7. Jones, G. S., Tett, S. F. B. & Stott, P. A. Causes of atmospheric temperature change 1960–2000: A combined attribution analysis. Geophys. Res. Lett. 30, 1228, doi:10.1029/2002GL016377

Obviously, one need only look at the many, many more research findings in attribution studies.

Obviously, many many here wouldn't know how, or stick their head in the sand, or have some ideological reason to 'deny' it.
Posted by qanda, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 3:34:37 PM
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