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Not marching for baby fish : Comments

By Dan Flynn, published 15/10/2012

Tragically unborn babies in Victoria are not afforded the same protection as our undersized fish.

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"Her life and what she wants to do with it are more important than the survival of a foetus."

Who on earth are you to make that call, David F?
Posted by rational-debate, Friday, 19 October 2012 6:51:08 AM
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"Who on earth are you to make that call, David F?"

Well, obviously a mature and thoughtful human being that can think independently and allow people to make their own decisions on what happens to their own bodies.

The obvious followup question is, who on earth are you to prevent that?
Posted by Bugsy, Friday, 19 October 2012 7:31:37 AM
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I am constantly amazed that people can talk about the rights of the woman without reference to the rights of the unborn child. NEITHER should be ignored.
Posted by rational-debate, Friday, 19 October 2012 10:02:15 AM
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An "Unborn child", i.e embryo or foetus, has no rights independently of the mother that carries them. They certainly have no rights that supercede the mothers rights of self-determination. That is self-evident in that it requires third parties with other motives that may not have the mothers best interests at heart to impose the rights that they argue the foetus has.

Even if you are religious, you cannot argue that the foetus is a 'person', as according to the bible, as it has no soul. The soul is only imbued upon taking the first breath.

All this talk about unborn children having rights is only a very modern phenomenon.
Posted by Bugsy, Friday, 19 October 2012 11:20:03 AM
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Bugsy - with all due respect, that is an opinion.

The Bible does not teach the opinion you have out forward, re when a foetus is a child. Indeed there are passages where God clearly speaks about the unborn (Psalm 22, 139, etc).

Even if the talk of rights for the unborn is a modern phenomenon (which I would dispute, but anyway), does that automatically make it wrong?
Posted by rational-debate, Friday, 19 October 2012 11:58:07 AM
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"Even if the talk of rights for the unborn is a modern phenomenon (which I would dispute, but anyway), does that automatically make it wrong?"

Not necessarily, but it makes any religious basis for such an opinion a modernist reinterpretation to suit a modern opinion. This is also fine, but don't pretend that this isn't what's happening.

The notion of the soul and the rights of such an entity that is asserted to carry one appears to be the basis of much of the anti-choice opinion. The notion of the existence of the soul is itself problematic. So I wouldn't be basing any arguments that foetuses have rights on the basis they have souls.

The other options are that 'it just feels wrong' or 'they are humans too'.
Posted by Bugsy, Friday, 19 October 2012 1:12:01 PM
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