Marilyn Shepherd is right

The asylum seekers are supposed to be granted refuge in the first country they land, in irrespective ....

The fact that both Malaysia and Indonesia shunt them on, is more indicative of them being Islamic states, and members of the Organisation of Islamic Countries OIC....and they clearly value their membership of the OIC more than they do the UN... and all its conventions signed and unsigned.

Dont forget it is the OIC that has been trying for years now through the appalling Durban 1 &2 Conferences to shutdown our freedoms of speech and making it so that we would be being unable to criticise any religion ..nudge ... nudge.. we mean ours.

Yet again with refugees, we are being played for suckers.

Do I have a problem with Australia taking in immigrants and refugees?.. no not at all. As long as it is done the way it was apllied to my parents and family years ago... orderly and on merit and through the front door ....fully security checked and validated with people who have not destroyed their documentation

Not sneaking in through the back door with ulterior motives pushing it along from behind.

Wake up Australia

Good post Bigmal… ‘cept I think you are misattributing similar opinions to Marylin!

She wishes to see completely free refugee movement to this country, no matter how many or at what cost, for ever more!

She writes:

<< Is there something cretinous in this country that believes we have control over the world's borders and movement of humans around them? >>

Wow!

Boat people will continue to come. The Pacific solution worked, but once most of the Nauru inmates were given residence in Australia and NZ the bluff was over.

Off shore processing has potential for stopping the boat traffic. But the politics surrounding it is poisonous. Labor can't back down, and Abbott knows he is on a winning streak by not giving any ground.

The populace has been sold on the undesirability of the boat people, the illegitimacy of the Gillard government, its incompetence, its chaotic governance ... thanks to the Murdoch media empire and agitators like Jones and Bolt.

It seems a hark back to C19 Brisbane.

On 5 May 1888 the Opposition Leader, Sir Thomas McIlwraith, won the Brisbane Elections by an unprecedented margin. He had campaigned on the total and immediate exclusion of the Chinese in Queensland. The Government Leader, Sir Samuel Griffith, had urged that the Chinese Question was largely settled by legislative measures. But the Opposition Leader was not giving up on a winning formula. For years the newspapers and social agitators had built up a hugely bloated case against the Chinese, and the populace was sold on it.

McIlwraith as Premier did not deport the Chinese. The Chinese have returned in recent decades, and they are okay now. But we seem to have moved on to a new scapegoat, the Muslims, since the Tampa. Regrettably some politicians have done even worse. "Human rights" stopped the Greens and Abbott from giving the Malaysia tactic a go, last month. Naivety, hypocrisy, or pure bloody mindedness?

Despite our Enlightenment beginnings, we seem to be still a people keen to find a scapegoat, as though we need to identify with the winning side, no matter what that does to our society, no matter the pain inflicted on the weak and powerless.

And the winner we are cheering on is a single-minded true blue boxer who shows little moral or ethical development despite his plunge in the seminary and the counsel of his confessor, Cardinal George Pell. Poor fellow my country.

CHEK

Unfortunately there is a mountain of information to show that Islam is not a force for good at all, and that over the years it has been very clever at subtle dominations of countries as well as outright violence...and it must prevail and dominate... that is its whole reason for being.

It is a backwards and evil cult based upon books that are anti kaffir (us)and certainly anti semitic.

Of course Christianity is not perfect either, and neither is the track record of western colonialists...and further not all followers of Islam want to be fifth columnists in an adopted country, but the reality is that the Koranic trylogy has more anti westeners violence in it than Mein Kampf.

I am well aware that Muslims have been in Australia with the first camaleers that helped with the first telegraph line, and there are some very old mosques in Adelaide...and thus far they have been a quiet and peaceful minority

But... wait until they get more numerous, and they then see it possible to do what they have loudly proclaimed to be the case, of dominating including through the bellies of their women...and mass migrations.

Sheik Hilali will then be seen as a comparative saint.

Just Google, Political Islam, or Jihad Watch, or the books by Robert Spencer or the recent main article in Quantum

Most of the refugees coming from Iraq and Iran today are christians pushed out by the war in Iraq that has sent christian groups running for their lives. Same is happening in Syria.

There has never been a law stating that refugees have to stop in the first country, it states the exact opposite - the idea of the convention is to spread the load all over the world so that first countries are not over burdened.

Everyone has the right to seek asylum from persecution in other countries.

Asylum seekers are not restrained from staying in one country, they are free to shop for the country that gives them the best benefits.

I see that in the past 2 weeks more country shoppers landed in Australia by boat than did during the last 6 years of the pacific solution.