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By Max Atkinson, published 16/7/2012Sheridan could not reconcile his special cases with his claim that torture is wrong, and the more he tried to do so the less articulate he became.
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Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 1:11:17 AM
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Thank you, Plantagenet.
I imagine that this will 'go away' - (then perhaps not). The British establishment are very adept at this; unlike the US. Remember http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/apr/30/mi6-mi5-gareth-williams One imagines that most ministers want results, but do not want to know how they are obtained. Countries do what they feel necessary to protect their citizens. Security, Counter-terrorism and Counter-espionage is dirty work. And ...as the public, we are rarely informed when an 'incident' has been averted. Marilyn, Whilst one sympathizes with detainees, they must have known before they embarked on their journeys that they would be held for an indefinite time. Posted by Danielle, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 4:58:29 PM
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Hi Danielle
Its probably an amoral business at the best of times but immorality (FORCING people to talk or do things) would certainly be immoral and would probably come back to bite. Still there may have been positive moral aspects in the death of bin Laden - he was expecting it sooner or later (and given that a court case might have only boosted his cause) http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/us-knew-where-bin-laden-was-from-2005.html . Also in some (but nowhere near all) counter-intelligence and counter-terrorist activities. Here's a multicultural site about the intel business http://intelnews.org/ Hopefully nothing will happen at the London Olympics or happen to other UK cities over the next few weeks. Regards Pete Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 5:44:01 PM
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Plantagenent ... again thank you for the links.
The multicultural site looks particularly interesting. I guess, however, that the information provided is relative to what they can access, given the 'official secrets act' at the source. All countries have such controls. Posted by Danielle, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 10:04:09 PM
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You're one of the few commenters on Online Opinion who puts together decent research.
Here's a more recent article on Britain and extraordinary rendition - The Guardian 19 April 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/apr/19/uk-role-rendition-fresh-scrutiny :
"The [British] government is facing renewed pressure over its refusal to disclose Britain's role in abducting terror suspects after the information tribunal ruled there was "a very strong public interest in transparency and accountability" over whether ministers actually applied their stated policy of opposing such practices."
The UK being mixed up with rendition looks like an avenue worth pursuing.
Regards
Pete