plantagenet,

The British still use torture. The "five techniques" used on alleged IRA sympathisers/operatives was supposedly banned in the 1970's.

However in Basra, September 2003, Iraqi, Baha Mousa died as a result of this particular torture whilst in British custody.

The British appear to escape world condemnation.

>>The war on terror was and is a lie. Here is the scientific evidence to prove it. http://www.ae911truth.org/<<

Good one Arjay. XD

In a similar vein here is the scientific evidence to prove that the moon landings were faked. Enjoy:

http://stuffucanuse.com/fake_moon_landings/moon_landings.htm

Cheers,

Tony

Danielle

Note I said "officially sanctioned case of torture by Britain". I don't think Basra was. What UK law or decision permitted Basra?

"five techniques" was rapidly banned as happens in a democracy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_techniques :

"On the same day (2 March 1972), the United Kingdom Prime Minister Edward Heath stated in the House of Commons:

"[The British] Government, having reviewed the whole matter with great care and with reference to any future operations, have decided that the techniques ... will not be used in future as an aid to interrogation... The statement that I have made covers all future circumstances.""

Why not go after the French (now), Spanish, Russians (now), Chinese (now), all of the Middle East (now) and most of the developing world for torture or is it the "I hate mummy and daddy?" complex? Or the "we expect more of a democracy dismissal"?

Marilyn

I was hoping you'd appreciate some agreement with your automatic anti-gov beliefs but no. How bout researching "monied queue jumpers?" One aspect is a Labor government policy supporting monied immigration...

Are the Greens idealistic and left enough post Bob?

I like this site; rocks keep turning over and all sorts of crawlies come out to play:

"international outlaw nations such as the US and Israel"

"Outlaw nations"? Compared to what or who?

Charles Krauthammer on waterboarding, which the CIA used on three senior al Qaeda terrorists:

Did it work? The current evidence is fairly compelling. George Tenet said that the “enhanced interrogation” program alone yielded more information than everything gotten from “the FBI, the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency put together.”

Michael Hayden, CIA director after waterboarding had been discontinued, writes (with former Attorney General Michael Mukasey) that “as late as 2006 ... fully half of the government’s knowledge about the structure and activities of al-Qaeda came from those interrogations.” Even Dennis Blair, Obama’s director of national intelligence, concurs that these interrogations yielded “high value information.” So much for the lazy, mindless assertion that torture never works.

Asserts Blair’s predecessor, Mike McConnell, ”We have people walking around in this country that are alive today because this process happened.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/30/AR2009043003108.html

Only moralising hypocrites who live in and enjoy all the privileges and advantages of living in the West and take those advantages for granted and despise them in Pilgerian fashion would argue otherwise.

Plantagenet,

I have no complex … But let's be even handed.

I lived in Malaysia during the Emergency. Obtain a copy of 'standing orders' (1952).

With each terrorist attack the laws and re-action became more draconian.

Flogging by cane was imbedded in penal law.

However, the British admitted that their treatment of the Irish was worse than that applied to their colonial subjects.

In 1978 in the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) trial Ireland v. the United Kingdom (Case No. 5310/71), concluded that the use of five techniques (then currently practiced) was in breach of [the European Convention on Human Rights] Article 3 (art. 3).

Under the Special Powers Act, internment, arrest and detention without trial was enacted numerous times in Northern Ireland. Between 1971 and 1975, 1,981 people were interned and subject to brutal treatment. (Incidentally, in Britain in 2008, a Saudi Arabian had been held in internment without trial for ten years).

Operation Demetrius 1971, witnessed 24 people killed, 7,000 fled their homes – 2,500 south of the border. Such deaths were not isolated ... Bloody Sunday ...

The British have erected a wall dividing territories in Northern Ireland, referred to as the 'safety fence.'

In 1981, IRA prisoners went on a seven-month hunger strike - 10 men died.

MI5 and MI6 have their own briefs and protocols.

Let's not be twee ...