If no UN, what then?

The UN is not a government. It is where countries agree to abide by certain rules, and where agreements and disputes can be negotiated.

Shadow Minister-I take your point that the United Nations does not govern these countries on a day to day basis but;

The fact that the United Nations can send troops into any country in the world to enforce their rulings and dictates, makes them as close to a world government as we are likely to have at this present time. This is an experiment and history will judge the success or failure of it.

How would the course of History have played out if there had been a United Nations to take Julius Caesar, William the Conqueror, the leader of the Ottoman Empire, Genghis Khan, the
Leaders of the Scottish Clans who were always at war with the other clans to an international Law court, the history of the world would have been entirely different and who knows what the effects would have been on today’s world.

There is a documentary on TV at the moment on how the country of Wales was founded on bloody tribal warfare. What would be the nature of Wales today if those tribal leaders had been taken to world law courts and imprisoned. I’m not condoning the bloodshed, but it seems strange to me how people look up to some of these people like Julius Ceasar and the muslim Warlord, Mohammed, whereas today they want them imprisoned by world Law courts. We tend to think of these old warlords today as great warriors and leaders of men.

Maybe we will gradually evolve to a less warlike species and the fact that we are trying is admirable. In doing so are we in some way changing the course of history in ways that we cannot know or forsee.

Cherful the UN has not done anything useful in the world since 1952 & the Korean war. Even there I'm not too sure what its involvement was useful.

You only have to look at their ineffectual waffling during the Bosnian trouble, & their equally useless carry on in Syria today to see that it is a complete waste of time & money.

The absence of the UN would be a greater asset than its existence.

Hasbeen, do you suggest leave the local Australian and international incidents to the media to report and influence action on, instead of the UN?

Without UNESCO, destruction of the Great Barrier Reef would be guaranteed together with virtually complete devastation of the last SW Pacific Ocean food web ecosystems. SW Pacific ecosystems are supposed to feed feed ocean fish that migrate and sustain island people, island people already involved in now chronic poverty and unrest and loss of peace in OUR region.

Without the UN, media could whip up more spin to send more 'defence forces' and 'police' to watch over distant poppies in Afghanistan and to control all Middle East oil.

Look at the local media waffle and gagging of genuine science that has created law based on lies and spin that is now a carbon tax, a new tax with no mention of inflation already occurring as result.

Without the UN the media could turn a blind eye to more offshore Australian offshore trade such as food for oil deals with dictators.

As for who is wasting money just look locally, look at the NBN $30 billion plus, for what national or international benefit? What does it matter if money is wasted at home or overseas? Still wasted.

As for who is at fault, Google UN World Environment Day 2004. Note the focus on oceans, then web search for that focus in Australian media and governments records. Not there. All covered up. The UN tried, Aus locals failed on purpose.

If the UN had adequate resources and international teamwork then surely outcome would improve.

To hold a seat within the UN would not do any harm to Australias ability to positively influence world affairs. Although this will obviously be very limited, it has to be better that barking from a distance. I am in favour of anything that makes our country a more influential voice on a global scale.

In regards to the Macedonia issue, this is a disgrace! How can we deny a nation the right to name it self? Could you imagine Australia being told to change its name? It is unthinkable at best and unstabilising at worst. The Australian government really needs to take a good hard look at itself and this shameful, 20 year old policy!