<< Ludwig, did you read or are you spraying out the same old ignorant crap. >>

Marilyn, settle!

What an enormous contradiction you are - a supposed humanitarian who cares deeply about refuges, but a really nasty person, in a totally uncalled manner, on OLO, over and over and over, over the years!

THAT just completely doesn’t add up!

You know, there is a big difference between strongly presenting and debating your convictions and being strongly offensive to those with whom you disagree.

Your innate nastiness works strongly against you!

And of course, there is not a hint of response in your post to the main point I was making – that a real humanitarian would want to STOP onshore asylum seeking and concentrate their efforts on the most needy of refugees, to be accommodated through our formal immigration program.

You apparently have no concept of a holistic approach to this issue and can only see little bits of it in isolation to the bigger picture.

Until the birth certificates can be produced, wrist X rays are the best way of determining age. If one just accepts their word, then everyone will be below 18. If you want a get out of jail card, then you need to bring your birth certificate.

If you commit the crime, you do the time.

We waste $500,000 per person to jail these children.
Marylin,
Who's getting the money ? Let's hear about that & make a move to cut this nonsense.
If Australia gave every indonesian boat owner double the money he is offered by asylum seekers it would certainly cost a lot less & hardly anyone would try & get here via indonesian fishing boat. Plus a lot more of that money could be used on essential services here.
Remember, the indonesian fishermen are very poor & I give you a 100% guarantee that you too would do something illegal if you were that poor.
The people at fault here are power crazed morons & australian officials & lawyers.

@Marilyn,

<<Oh dear, they don't hide because they want to be found.>>

Yes Marilyn, they want to found.
And they want to be found because they know –all of Asia knows – Oz is a soft touch.
If you are an ILLEGAL –as long as you can tell a good story – you will be rubber stamped “found to be genuine” then ushered along the red carpet to a lifetime of social welfare.
And if you are a PEOPLE SMUGGLER –as long as you shave off your beard and speak in a squeaky prepubescent voice – they will fly you home in time to have Sunday dinner with mamma (they ‘d be lining-up in Indonesia , to volunteer to do a smugglers run just to get the ride on a jumbo!)

<< SPOR did you read anything?>>

Marilyn, do you read anything other than your sides propaganda?
I doubt it. If you did you would know that "asylum" seeking is a massive scam.

I look atthe faces of asylum seekers every week as they say to me "Why would I lose my family, my parents, my land, my home and my country if I thought I could stay and survive. The Taliban will not kill me fast, it will be slow and painful. First the ears then hands, feet then genitals. How could getting on a leaky boat and hoping for safety be more risk than that?" I wish I could talk that mining millionare to ferry Bowen,Morrision, Bolt and possibly most DIAC people to Quetta and Kabul without any protection. I thought Ali Al's book was honest very real> Its shameful for us to acknowledge what our governments do and still do day after day to people who are truly
trying only to escape torture and death. Before you give the old rhetorical denials go to the detention centres and speak to the ones who really know fear

This is an article Australia jailing Indonesian children in adult prisons in breach of Australian law and it is only done to pander to the ignorant.

How many here would not notice that someone is a 13 year old disabled child as distinct from an adult?

A child so mentally disabled he was locked in Silverwater for nearly 2 years without a single guard or anyone noticing.

Are you lazy or just plain stupid.

Now go back and read the article again.

And when people want to be found it is because they want to claim refugee status, the crew do not claim and just want to go home.

In the book the People Smuggler it is shown clearly that there are no smuggling rings,something I have always said, because no-one can ever know when people will run and seek protection.

Now I suggest those spraying off their ignorance tell me how comfortable they are with young kids in adult prisons in breach of the law.