In the late sixties early seventies, a paedophile was brought before the same Scottish judge for the third time. The judge gave him just two choices; endless incarceration, or a psychiatric hospital and remedial trails? Well,he chose the Hospital table, where tiny electrodes were inserted directly into his sex centres.
No activity was recorded when he was shown erotic pictures of women, adult males; but, all four centres lit up/went off the scale, when he was shown, lightly clad or nude boys? It was reasoned that the unusual attraction, was the result of all four sex centres firing.
So they burnt two out! The ones that normally operate in hetro females and attract them to men.
The end result, was a gradual change and normal hetro male sexual preferences. The last report saw him living as a normal heterosexual, with a wife and two children. He reported he'd never been more content or happier.
Then there is a recent case of a Sydney footballer; alpha male heterosexual, with a crushed cervical injury, C1, the result of a scum collapse. Apparently, some bone fragments entered and damaged his primitive brain, around the region of his "normal male" sex centres?
He was in a coma for some time and woke up Gay. Well, not immediately, but progressively over a period of months. He now works as a hairdresser?
These examples may led to day clinic neurosurgery procedures, that allow gays to chose to become "normal"? Particularly, where a extremely strong religious/moral conviction, leads to suicide as the only other acceptable option.
When we get around to doing/offering this, nobody will be left in any doubt whatsoever; that sexual orientation in all its unusual forms and guises, is naturally occurring biological aberration; rather than any product of choice or preference.
And those who have ostracised others and or family members; for the sexual equivalent of being born left handed, will be asked to account for for their obnoxious ignorance, knowingly deliberate persecution; and or, unconscionable discrimination! Rhrosty.

'Nothing ever really alters in the historical narrative from the perspective of the white, middle-class puritan male.'

Poirots bigotry can't be disguised. In Amercia it is most blacks who oppose 'gay'marriage.

Thank you, runner, for your splendid example of the pot calling the kettle a bigot.

Those "blacks" you speak of: I don't suppose that most of them attend chapels and imbibe sermons and attitudes historically cooked up by white middle-class "puritan" males?

RMW, saltpetre
"In case you haven't noticed, some of them are seeing themselves as the next big thing: "

But that has nothing to do with same sex couples. What some people see themselves as should not be distorted to prevent other basic human rights. Bestiality, pedophilia, child marriage are wrong on so many levels.

Many argued giving women the vote would be the beginning of the end. Imagine if the detractors of women's vote started saying "next there will be bestiality". One thing does not make another thing - if you get my drift. If there were any groups pushig for those things I would be there with you in the barricades so to speak.

I see no problem in where to draw the line and there is no blurring or confusion. I cannot see any problems arising out of SSM that would cause pause for thought. Sexuality as being taught or socially engineered - why would you even need to go there - just let be what will be. No advertising could induce me to become a lesbian, it is just not a natural inclination.

Squeers
Sorry I was a bit slow on the pick up - it did seem odd. Normally I get you. :)

My biggest grump with all this is the notion that SSM or homosexuality is linked so unfairly and disingenuously with pedophilia. It is as if anything goes to 'win' usually, it has to be said, a far right conservative religious argument. Heterosexuals and homosexuals have abused, most don't. Posters like runner have ignored this completely.

Banjo
Words like toe and finger have meaning, we need to distinguish between them what they are for a good reason.

Why would there be a need to distinguish between different sorts of marriages? Does it make a difference on a job application? People of different Christian denominations don't have to differentiate or buddhists or Hindus? We are talking about two human beings who have the same biology as every other human being albeit obvious genetic variations.

normal" is code for belligerence, intolerance and insecurity.
Poirot,
Once again you're either not getting the gist or you're deliberately misconstruing.
In Normality, the term normal refers to normal. No side-stepping, no weirdo sexuality, no idiotic intellectual outlandish views etc.
What you're on about & apparently promote is commonly known as abnormality.
Tell me what's belligerent, intolerant & insecure about preferring a straightforward system with no wavering in & out & around guidelines. No PC as in political correctness & poof..r cr.p.
Normal as where people go about their daily life without constantly disrupting others with nonsensical complexities such as religion & flaunting sexual behaviour as if normal sex were anything else but between a woman & a man. Bisexuality, trisexuality, asexuality or whatever where people screw their own brains is called.
We get enough verbal masturbation thrown at us every time we either read or watch anything from sexually disorientated intellectuals. Are you one of them Poirot because you always on the defensive ?

>My biggest grump with all this is the notion that SSM or homosexuality is linked so unfairly and disingenuously with pedophilia.<

I agree, Pelican. I've been friends with a few gay men and one of the main things I noticed was they were so much more sexually mature (figuratively) than straight men, who still have their insecurities and demons to work out. Gay men in my experience tend to be so much more open and relaxed about the sex act(s), seeing it as no big deal. I find it hard to see any of the gays I've known as opportunists or predators, it just doesn't go with the profile I've come to know a little. I think paedophilia is far more likely to be the province of "normal" men.
It's a despicable and shameless crock the way some conservative straights try to make gays their scapegoats!