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Eclipsing the religious right : Comments

By Rodney Croome, published 4/5/2012

Gay marriage will mark the beginning of the end of the religious right's disproportionate influence on Australian politics.

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Squeers,
You said, "I think paedophilia is far more likely to be the province of "normal" men".

If you read the case histories of Broken Rites, which assists those who have been sexually abused by church clergy, and the witnesses evidence to the Irish church sex abuse inquries, you would not believe or think that. The overwhelming majority, (guess 95%) was for homosexual acts by male priests. If interested, Belly gave some links in his recent thread about church sex abuse, you should read.

"Normal" men are not sexually attracted to other males.

One can only conclude that the paedophille priests were also homosexual. That is not to say that all homosexuals are paedophilles, but these certainly were.
Posted by Banjo, Saturday, 5 May 2012 3:33:09 PM
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Well, it looks as though our resident super-brain Rhrosty may have come up with a possible solution - a tweak here and a zap there, and the 'problem' might just go away. (Though the second case study presents a separate problem - a tweak too far, so to speak? And, no subsequent reversal possible?)

But again we enter the thorny field of individual human rights, and the right to individuality and self-actualisation. Where could this lead? Could psychology/psychiatry enter a bold new phase?

Homogeneous Humanity - attractive, or disturbing? Future, or futuristic? Electrodes, stem cells, even nano technology or genetic engineering? A new realm of possibility, and of moral, judicial, ethical, cultural and intellectual concern.

Some revel in their individuality, others do everything they can to 'fit in' - body make-overs, boob jobs, chin tucks and collagen, anti-depressants, anti-psychotics and mood stabilisers or Valium. Exhibitionists, strippers, captains of industry, and church mice too afraid to sneeze. Ministers of Religion and mass-murderers. Such diversity - and not all of it good.

We wrestle with conscience (some of us), while others have none. Better to 'snip' a paedophile or a rapist, I think, but we are 'enlightened' and will try all manner of implausible rehabilitation (even tolerance?) instead - we have become 'soft' and soft-headed.

SSM? Marriage as currently defined accords with a natural order, and all else is deviation. Is homosexuality genetic? What future? Natural genetic improvement and social accord, or increasing disarray?
Posted by Saltpetre, Saturday, 5 May 2012 3:54:35 PM
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Banjo,
this research http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html would seem to suggest that paedophilia is the province of no particular sexual persuasion, but of a fixation that transcends preference.
It seems to me extraordinary that a phenomenon that's so commonplace, past and present, is so little understood, when researchers split hairs of everything else imaginable. There's nothing online that takes a definitive stand one way or the other. I can only surmise that the research is inhibited/censored by prevailing social mores/political correctness. If it is a fixation it seems to me reasonable to speculate it's born of trauma. It's a well-known paradox that the victims of child abuse commonly end up as abusers. Once again, I feel like exonerating the archetypal gays I've known as just too liberated. I feel sure they'd be ashamed of taking advantage of an innocent. For the mature homosexual there's nothing in the notion of contraband that titilates.
I have a psychologist friend who assures me that latent homosexuality is commonplace in the male population (duh) but repressed, and that this is the most likely source of paedophilia, where the innocent victim is the softest option for the one in denial.
This of course is simplistic. As "in denial" doesn't mean he's missed his real calling; there's no saying where the denial begins or ends and surely it indicates confusion as much as anything else. I doubt anyone can be clearly sexually assigned. What is sexuality anyway but the stimulation of the imagination, and the chemical reactions that follow from that. Sexuality is time out and I'm sure the uninhibited and unfixated get more of a buzz, and time for meditation afterwards, than those of us constrained by notions of normalcy.
Posted by Squeers, Saturday, 5 May 2012 6:51:10 PM
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Pelican you ask

'Why can't a lesbian be a Finance Minister? You have given no logical or rational explanation - because there isn't one. I have great fondness for most of the Christian values and tenets eg of compassion and inclusion - why don't you?'

There is no reason why a lesbian can't be a Finance Minister or a atheist feminist a PM. That is the point. Have you not read the heading of this article 'Gay marriage will mark the beginning of the end of the religious right's disproportionate influence on Australian politics.

It is obvious with the godless mob we have in power that the homosexual and feminist lobby have a disproportionate influence on Australian Politics not the demonised religous right who seek to maintain some sort of a civilised society. Strangely enough many opponents of perverted 'marriage'come from outside of what you call the religous right. Even your beloved PM has stated openly she is against 'gay'marriage even now she isn't against adultery or fornication.
Posted by runner, Saturday, 5 May 2012 6:54:46 PM
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"Even your beloved PM has stated openly she is against 'gay marriage even now she isn't against adultery or fornication.

Runner, you know dam well the religious fraternity has the money-tree influence just like any big business and that's why our beloved leader has to play the truth down.

Its all to do with the cash flow, and not your religious rights that will change in times to come. The fact that all religions are about the money, and why you might ask?......Jesus never asked not one cent from anyone( if he ever existed ), unlike the sex-starved priests that do. Whats not normal, is the vows of celibacy which is completely ad-normal for any human to do.

.....and some wonder why pedophilia is so rifle with-in the church walls.

cc
Posted by plant3.1, Saturday, 5 May 2012 10:57:27 PM
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plant3.1

at least get your facts right if you are going to have a Christophobic rant.

'Jesus never asked not one cent from anyone( if he ever existed ), '

Luke 18:22 And when Jesus heard these things, He said to him, Yet you lack one thing. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you shall have treasure in Heaven. And come, follow Me.

Jesus never asked not one cent from anyone( if he ever existed ),

I think you are confusing followers of Christ to followers of the gw religion where the HIgh Priests have made millions.
Posted by runner, Saturday, 5 May 2012 11:43:28 PM
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