RObert,

I meant my response to be toxic. Anyone who claims that all men are potential rapists or paedophiles deserves to be treated with contempt. The response was proportional to the claim.

If you are willing to tolerate that sort of smear by feminists and their minions then fine. There is no shortage of spineless people in the world.

Houelle,

You use an embedded clause ('which') which itself has an embedded clause ('which') and then coordindate another clause with a 'but' all in the one sentence. Then you call me incoherent. Gee.

At least you've got chivalry.

You're insecure... Dane
Don't know what for... Dane

Being the way that you are is enough.

Since we've descended into knocking punctuation, always a true sign of nothing left in the cupboard, I liked your de regueur ragout!

It's perfectly valid to write in the vernacular, it got me through English in High School that excuse. All you have to do is convince them it's an artistic decision to switch into my own highly culturally significant vernacular for effect.

It's your line of reasoning that is incoherent. What's the Swiss and One Direction got to do with some perceived slight about vanity and how many knights in shining armour can you identify in one thread.

I think you confirm every derogatory MRA comment I've seen on OLO.

RObert and Houellie,

You know, I have much respect for you guys, and that goes for "most" of the men on OLO (even the one's with whom I tend to clash).

Thanks for reaffirming my view that this is a worthwhile forum. None of this is cut and dried. Men and women are two sides of the same coin in our experience of life on planet Earth.

I just wanted to add on the subject of social system's failure, that it's usually the men who step up in times of disaster to lead the way. It's extraordinary how the genders revert to type at such times - the women providing nurture and succour at a base - and the men out there attempting to reassert their limited mastery over nature. Cyclones and earthquakes are a case in point.

It's only in the rarefied atmosphere of system and stability (especially in the modern industrial world) that we somehow lose sight of the ties that bind us - the cord that connects us in our common humanity.

Responses to Petra Bueskens political analysis of industrial porn and its harmful effects on women and children brings into clear focus a partial, though potent narrative of heterosexuality, whereby women are held responsible for men's consumption of cybersex fantasy and its historical reenactment. It is an ideology that can only be changed by women and men articulating narratives more consonant with their differentiated embodied sexual experiences, for instance the orgasmic experience that breastfeeding and birthing their infants is for many women, including me. I consider the time is well past where charges of “nanny state” politics can silence debate so central to the ability to articulate who we are in our political and sexual diversity and what that might mean culturally.

Athene,

That's interesting - I don't recall either of my birthing experiences being "orgasmic" (half yer luck :).
I wasn't conscious for the actual birth of my second, and the first could best be described as excruciating and somewhat shocking. (I've always envied women who can glide through the birthing process).

I breast-fed for yonks both times, but there again, no orgasmic experience. Instead, a sense of satisfaction, peace and grounding, and a feeling that it was good for me and the babies.

But you're getting a little too obscure for me.

Poirot maybe that orgasmic experience is pretty common. Could explain why so many men find that a lack of sex has more to do with the arrival of children than a lack of doing housework. Some women are apparently getting their jollies elsewhere.

R0bert