>> 'In the 1960’s we had the cultural revolution which brought with it cohabitation, no fault divorce, freely available abortion ... We live in a society today with multiple broken relationships, failed marriages, children being fought over, boys without fathers modelling what it is to grow into manhood. We have unprecedented crime levels so that we lock doors, install alarm systems, drive children to and from school, install cameras on trains and in shopping malls, every public space covered in graffiti.'

""David you know that the dogmas of the humanist fed the sinful nature creating these problems."" <<

Posted by runner, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 9:34:59 AM

Whose "watch" did that all happen under, allegedly starting in the 1960s??!
Whose the authority to blame??!

I do take issue with being described as one of ""the first couple of posters secularist see no problem with breaking marriage vows, feeding on porn or perverted relationship .. even proud they have created such a society.""

How dishonest. How pious! How "christian". Pls, give us more "christian values"!

runner,

You're at it again.

Try and maintain some Christian humility and decency - and desist from attributing immoral vices to those with whom you disagree.

"Get on down to the Reason for Faith festival this week, people. Unlike the Global Atheist Convention, it's not purely a massive money spinning venture. Most of the events are free!"

Ummm you realise that the richest organisation is the world is the catcholic church right? with an estimated 3 trillion in wealth?

Anyhoo - perhaps some basic business facts would help. Athiesm is a not a business, its an idea, so therefore to hold an event such as the GAC, things must be paid for... the convention centre, the speakers flights and security to protect us from, well, people like you. While i have no idea on the profitability of the event, comparing it to "free" events is blatently misleading.

Religion is, even to the most blinded of supporters, clearly a business. Many religions own companies (such as sanatarium, gloria jeans etc) and some even run their own bank (e.g. uniting church) - so their business model is to get people in at "free" events which may cost small amounts of money up front, but over time, the monetary return is massive from that small percentage of people that donate a portion of wages, or leave their house to the church when the die. And lets not forget the constant lobbying the government for our tax dollars.

While i realise this is off topic from the article itself - such a ludicrous comment should not go uncorrected.

One can only laugh wnen David writes this nonsense.

"FAITH based statement derived from the Bible but in ACCORDANCE WITH EVERYDAY REALITY , that whilst our ORIGINAL PARENTS, HISTORICAL ADAM and EVE, were created in the image of god with wonderful potentialities, they FELL INTO SIN, that is, they REBELLED AGAINST God's AUTHORITY in their lives and chose the path of DISOBEDIENCE, what is called ORIGINAL SIN, a CONTAMINATION SPREADING throughout the human race ...."

I have purposely capitalized some key words, all of which have nothing to do with FAITH or Reality with a capital R, and certainly have nothing whatsoever to do with any kind of historical event.

In a universe which is billions of years old, and a quantum universe of multiple space-time paradoxes in which the Earth is little more than a speck of dust, when and where did Adam and Eve first appear, and then choose to "fall into sin".

Such language (used by David)is a confession and projection of a very childish, even infantile mind set. And of an essentially dim-witted religious provincialism.

Why does everything have to turn out to be Christian especially as two thirds of the worlds human population are not Christians. And none of the living-breathing-feeling non-humans. Even more so when there are hundreds of known "creation" stories from all times and places times and places. All of which are now our common inheritance in this now instantaneously inter-connected globalized quantum world.

The repetition, runner does get a tad wearisome… So please be reassured we have read and understood what you've got to offer.

In the hope of something new, I'll repeat my request for you to nominate where and when in human history society functioned and people behaved in ways acceptable to you.

I'm confident that would give us all something to discuss.

Ben98, were you born in 1998?

Just curious.

{"Ummm you realise that the richest organisation is the world is the catcholic church right? with an estimated 3 trillion in wealth?"}

If true, this is entirely irrelevant to my invitation to the RFF festival.

{"Athiesm is a not a business, its an idea, so therefore to hold an event such as the GAC, things must be paid for... the convention centre, the speakers flights and security to protect us from, well, people like you"}

None of which changes the fact that the festival was costly to attend, and in comparison, people have less barriers to attending the RFF festival. Hence, there's a reason for them to consider going.

{"Religion is, even to the most blinded of supporters, clearly a business."}

Forgive me, I must be a blinded supporter.

You do realise that it is entirely unproductive to make sweeping statements like this, don't you?

Are you talking about the church of scientology or your local Baptist church? Or all of the above?

{"Many religions own companies (such as sanatarium, gloria jeans etc)"}

FYI, Gloria Jeans is owned by a guy who is a member of Hillsong. It is not owned by "a religion" (whatever that means) nor Hillsong church.