""but I'm not thinking
that it's something..nine year-old boys do..that often.""

i resisted the first bit..
so as to..not muddy the reply

in your opinion..have more.."9 year old pictures..
tried replicating..this means to achieve light seeed?

heck the dude quotes fictions[twice]
bet he has plenty more fictions

note;..sciencde texts
DONT use samples
they present facts

if its not all fact
its all fiction

if facts cant explain science theory
insanity..delusion certainly cant neither

""It was not..*about the bloody moon,
it was about..the speed..of gravity and light""

i googled..""Speed of gravity -Wikipedia,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity

In the context of..!..classical theories*!

of gravitation,..the speed of gravity..is the speed
at which changes..in a gravitational field propagate...

In a more physically correct sense,
the "speed of gravity"..refers to the speed..of a gravitational wave.

The Speed of Gravity
What the Experiments Say

metaresearch.org/cosmology/speed_of_gravity.asp

A presentation of evidence..that gravity
must*..[not does]..propagate at a speed..
*substantially faster than the speed of light.

But you knew that already.

lol yerself mate...

>>If not, I am not sure where you get the idea that I think all theists and/or the religious are "bogey men". I've not said it and I don't think it.<<

No you didn't say bogey-men: I said that. But you did attribute unsavoury characteristics to all theists and religions. You even put theism at the top of your list. So clearly we're not your favourite people even if you wouldn't use the exact phrase bogey-men.

>>Theism on the other hand is at the top of my list. The reason it is at the top of my list is that religion plays politics. Religion intrudes into my life by a) claiming superior knowledge of how life should be lived and b) attempting to force me to live according to these standards.<<

>> I was very specific in the issues I have - there's a list in my previous post. Speaking of strawmen - where have I mentioned Cardinal Pell, Archbishop Jensen (I don't even know who that is) or Reverend Nile?<<

Yes you're very specific in the issues you have: where you are very unspecific is in singling out those elements of society who are responsible for these issues. Which includes IMO dicks like Cardinal Pell, Fred Nile and Archbishop Jensen (the Anglican Archbishop of Sydney and a nasty piece of work). You just shoot off broadsides at religion in general. But a lot of us agree with you. If most religious people agree with you doesn't that mean that 'religion' agrees with you?

>>1. Religions intruding into my child's education - school chaplaincy program.
2. Religions receiving financial benefits drawn from public taxation simply for being a religion.
3. Religion playing any formal part in federal or state politics. e.g. saying prayer before parliament.<<

TBC

1. Well duh. If private schools wish to employ chaplains that's their business. But the state system is supposed to be secular and the taxpayer shouldn't be footing the bill for chaplains in state schools. Especially when they need more funding for basic essentials: textbooks and art supplies and laboratory equipment and so on should come before frivolities like chaplains.
2. Well duh. Scientology gets tax-free status: I rest my case.
3. This one isn't so clear cut. I don't really see the prayer as a formal part of politics - just some of the pomp and show that goes on before they get down to business. I believe there's some nonsense involving a ceremonial mace. It's all just empty symbolism but people like empty symbolism: get rid of the prayer and they'll probably replace it with a smoking ceremony. Mumbling a few words before any debate has started doesn't mean that there are theocratic elements to the Australian parliamentary system.

>>I feel that my position is pretty mild and fair minded<<

I agree. And I think most theists would agree. So is 'religion' really your enemy? Or just a few lone whiny voices in the wilderness demanding special treatment? If that's the case shouldn't you be worrying more about the lone voices - the Pells et. al. - than 'religion'? When was the last time a Buddhist gave you any grief?

>>On the topic of personal beliefs, I am interested to know what theistic belief system excludes an afterlife?<<

I'm not Buddhist and I don't know a lot about Buddhism but I understand they believe in reincarnation. The soul gets recycled but it is a new being every time. I wouldn't really call that an afterlife. So there's one. I am pantheist. Pantheism doesn't include an afterlife either. So there's two. There are probably others.

Cheers,

Tony

tony/quote..""When was the last time
a Buddhist..gave you any grief?""

are hari chrishnas buddist?
does a locked temple mean anything?

quote..>>On the topic of personal beliefs, ..I am interested to know what theistic belief system excludes an afterlife?<<

tony reply/quote..""I'm not Buddhist and I don't know a lot about Buddhism but I understand they believe in reincarnation.""

i wil reply later
but for now buddist=born again
a nothingness of nothing

but christ died..in the flesh
he came back..[3] days...he said
'THAT YE SE ME DO..ye will do greater'

he assured a thief on the cross..he would this day BE..in heaven*

jesus refuted judgment day
AND reserction day

yes a few3 chose to come back BUT

""The soul gets recycled""

thats what buddists believe
christ taught..we are spirit PLUS soul
[soul is our life experience[at birth USUALLY..a band new book is opend[this [yyour life story]..is your soul[the devil can buy your soul[BUT YOUR LIFE SPIRIT BELONGS TO GOD

[its funny that the spirit[sustaining our lives[of all living]
is as old as time..but our soul[usually],,brand new

""but it is a new being..every time.
I wouldn't really call..that an afterlife.""

i agree

""I am pantheist.
Pantheism doesn't include an afterlife either.
So there's two...There are probably others...""

probably..but why the queen/pope frefuse to decree the truth
dont see demons eat flesh/drink blood[or beast]

demons hang dead corpses [astral shells ;;of their victims..in hell

heck to get into it you go through a curtain..of just eyeballs[living eyeballs stung like beads..each staring right at ya

to re incarnate..you gotta go via that door
into the lowest pits of the lowest hell
that has a wormhole...back into utro