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God is cool with gay marriage : Comments

By Alan Austin, published 10/4/2012

Gay marriage gaining religious validation.

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This is quite the best, most readable, concise and well researched essay on this topic I have read. I congratulate you Alan Austin for writing it, and for countering the nonsense of some posters with such politeness and rational sense.
I wish you well.
Posted by ybgirp, Thursday, 12 April 2012 7:27:48 AM
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Alan Austin,
You said, “We will gladly show you [me] the same-sex unions in Scripture blessed by God”. Where?

Prove they engaged in anal sex, and were not just very close companions, and that they were considered in their relationship as married. Note it has to be an exclusive lifelong sexual union, as that is what the term married means. Otherwise they were just very close friends.

Men can have very close confidant friends even closer than their wife as Jonathan in King David’s case, this does not verify they were married, or ever had sex. Marriage is an exclusive life-long mutual sexual relationship between one man and his wife.

Jonathan grew up with David as young men in King Saul's houshold; David being the resident musician. They were close friends in a brotherhood pact [1 Samuel 18: 1 – 5] long before David was King or had married Michal Saul’s daughter. When King Saul became an angry man and plotted against David and cheated him, and threatened David’s life; Michal and her brother Jonathan protected him from their father Saul by supporting her husband and Jonathan her brother. David's brother in law and friend. Jonathan became closer to David as a confidant friend even more than his wife Michal in protecting David.

Your impressions of God and claim to represent a Biblical foundation for same sex marriage shows shallow research. If David had engaged in homosexuality Samuel would not have chosen him as King, this would have disqualified him under Hebrew law as unclean.
Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 12 April 2012 9:37:10 AM
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Now I'm really confused... re David:

"Marriage is an exclusive life-long mutual sexual relationship between one man and his wife."

Where does that leave Ahinoam of Jezreel, Abigail the Carmel, Maachah the daughter of King Talmai of Geshur, Haggith, Abital, Eglah, and Bath-shua (Bathsheba) the daughter of Ammiel?
Posted by WmTrevor, Thursday, 12 April 2012 9:52:27 AM
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Good morning Josephus,

You are doing it again. And you are confusing dear old WmTrevor.

We have invited you to show why three previous assertions you have made are valid. We believe they are quite false and can be readily disproven from Biblical teachings.

And now you respond with another two assertions which are equally false.

"Marriage is an exclusive life-long mutual sexual relationship between one man and his wife." Really?

Jospehus, you are perfectly free to assert that you personally prefer this definition. Or that this is the definition society should accept today. No problem with that.

But you cannot claim that this is the only acceptable Scriptural form of marriage, can you?

Again, you have no Scriptural basis for claiming “If David had engaged in homosexuality Samuel would not have chosen him as King, this would have disqualified him under Hebrew law as unclean.”

We have already discussed the meaning of ‘sodomy’ – gang rape. We have touched on the Levitican prohibitions – which relate to specific situations in Jewish history. Unless David was guilty of rape (Genesis 19), or temple prostitution in worship of the god Molech (Lev 18:22 and Lev 20:13) why would he be unclean?

So please get back to us with your validation regarding these two assertions, Josephus, and the three earlier ones.

Or you may wish to acknowledge that these are in fact your personal opinions rather than actual Biblical teachings. That would be fine too.

Then we can proceed, if you wish, to look more closely at the teaching in Scripture which shows God blesses all manner of different relationship situations, including opposite-sex unions, same-sex unions and polygamous unions. Even celibacy.

Thanks, Josephus.

Cheers, AA
Posted by Alan Austin, Thursday, 12 April 2012 3:50:02 PM
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WmTrevor,
How many husbands did each of them have at any one time?

"Marriage is an exclusive life-long mutual sexual relationship between one man and his wife."

Each of them while married had only one husband. In in the case of Bathsheba her sexual encounter with David was adultery, while she was married to Uriah. Even David admits his sin of adultery.

The gay lobby are attempting to dumb down society to the point where sacred things are meaningless, and anything is acceptable. I heard of some women sleeping with their pet dog with the same affection that gays have for a lover. Next we will have applications for marriage to animals. Because they share equal affection, rights and dwelling
Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 12 April 2012 4:04:30 PM
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Josephus

'Next we will have applications for marriage to animals. Because they share equal affection, rights and dwelling '

So called high priest ethicist such as Singer already sprout this perversion. You can't reason with those who have hardened their own conscience usually to disguise their own immorality.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 12 April 2012 4:16:17 PM
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