cont'd

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Ones that promote racism:

Titus 1:12-13
(NLT)
12 Even one of their own men, a prophet from Crete, has said about them, “The people of Crete are all liars, cruel animals, and lazy gluttons.”
13 This is true. So reprimand them sternly to make them strong in the faith.

Ones that promote Communism:

Acts 4:32-35
(NASB)
32 And the congregation of those who believed were of one heart and soul; and not one of them claimed that anything belonging to him was his own, but all things were common property to them.
33 And with great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was upon them all. 34 For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales
35 and lay them at the apostles’ feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need.

Ones that are easily proven false:

Luke 17:6
(NIV)
6 He replied, “If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it will obey you.

If you do disagree with any of them then you are disqualified from taking a position for Christianity because you do not believe the teachings of Christian scripture. You cannot be making the claim for Christianity that God hates fags.

>>Obviously you are promoting a new religion that does not reflect either Moses or Christ<<

Fail. I am promoting a different interpretation of Christianity than the one you accept. There are a lot of them out there. Why are you so threatened by people who don't conform to your views?

>>but some homosexual lobby akin to the god Juno.<<

Epic fail. Juno was the Roman goddess of the state, marriage and women: nothing to do with homosexuality.

Cheers,

Tony

Given the extreme moral failings of "moses". I would not regard a single word ascribed to him as worth the ink it is written with.

"Moses" allegedly committed the crime of killing noncombatant children, except those young girls his soldiers might want "for themselves".

Which is it? Is "christian" position informed by someone not fit to be a moral tutor to Chopper Read, or is the "bible" not literal truth?

Either way, I find it (the "bible") does not meet the standards I require, nor those of any society I might desire.

Rusty.

Rusty Catheter,
Obviously you are not defending the position of the homosexual lobby that believe that the Bible accepts that God is OK with their homosexual practises. As you state, "I would not regard a single word ascribed to him [Moses] as worth the ink it is written with". I do not think these homosexuals would see you as religious textual support, nor would they see you as convincing members of the Jewish or Christian faith they have to change. You are an hinderance to their cause.

Tony Lavis,
Obviously the homosexual lobby do not have a clear and convincing voice to represent a wholesome Jewish or Christian position on the scriptures and especially their position on marriage. You are rather a lot of uncordinated rabble merely wishing to attack established Jewish, Islamic and Christian textual views. You are lobbying the unsuspecting religious with negative textual readings and unlearned politicians who are non religious on your justification for marriage, by twisting textual readings and using an argument you believe is established from textual silence. Obviously there is none posting here worth examining seriously their textual renderings in support of gay marriage.

>>Obviously the homosexual lobby do not have a clear and convincing voice to represent a wholesome Jewish or Christian position on the scriptures and especially their position on marriage.<<

Josesphus: you've already been disqualified from representing the Christian position. As you said before: if you claim to be either then you believe the teachings of the Hebrew or Christian scripture or otherwise you cannot claim to be taking a position for either. Your failure to condemn marriages involving divorcees as adulterous and immoral shows that you do not believe clear-cut teachings of Christian scripture regarding marriage.

Cheers,

Tony

Josephus, Your concern is touching.

Unfortunately for you, to push the "christian" applecart, you have to convince me and others to accept the lousy basis that satisfies so many "christians".

I can hardly accept "moral" advice about such minor things as homosexuality from organisations that revere genocidal maniacs and child rapists.

"moses" and his alleged writings are not fit to guide us on this or any topic.
"religions" that accept such writings as "scripture" are similarly not fit.

If you want to oppose homosexuality, the "bible" is awfully weak ground to stand on.

Rusty

I have many acquaintances in my life who have chosen to live in same sex relationships. Several have already died of AIDS.

Society does not decide marriage, it is discriminated by the human design of two genders. Only man and woman of that relationship can naturally produce children. It is to do with natural human fertility only a man and a woman can mate to naturally produce children, which is the ordained state and purpose of marriage.

Marriage defines a state of human relationship and two persons of the same gender do not qualify as one fertilizing the other. If one of the parties has children it has not been the product of the same sex relationship. If Gays want to publicly identify their relationship it is a lie to call it marriage, as it is not a relationship between the two genders as husband and wife. To call their relationship marriage changes the meaning of the definition of the act between male and female genders.

Men in many societies commit homosexual acts with each other but they do not call it marriage.