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Finkelstein, free speech and the global warming debate : Comments

By Anthony Cox, published 8/3/2012

Why would Ray Finkelstein think that his News Media Council should have anything to do with global warming claims?

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Geoff, you'd better get ready to drop those citations about 'unprecedented Arctic ice melt', as the ice coverage is rapidly climbing back towards the long-term average. Better bury them alongside the unfortunate (for you) results that show unprecedented long-term ice GROWTH in the Antarctic.

It's easy to conclude 'global warming' if you conveniently ignore the bits that are getting colder.

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png
Posted by Jon J, Thursday, 8 March 2012 3:43:15 PM
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And while on the subject, let us not forget the various warnings we heard some years back that the dams would never be full again and that rivers would not flow again.. the drought was here to stay..

Those warnings were taken so seriously that governments built desalination plants. Now those plants cnnot be switched off, for various reasons, while settlements across the Murray Darling river system are washed downstream.

Does anyone know what they do with the excess water from such plants?? Pump it out to sea?
Posted by Curmudgeon, Thursday, 8 March 2012 4:21:56 PM
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How about you try some of these:

B.D. Santer et.al., “A search for human influences on the thermal structure of the atmosphere,” Nature vol 382, 4 July 1996, 39-46
Gabriele C. Hegerl, “Detecting Greenhouse-Gas-Induced Climate Change with an Optimal Fingerprint Method,” Journal of Climate, v. 9, October 1996, 2281-2306

V. Ramaswamy et.al., “Anthropogenic and Natural Influences in the Evolution of Lower Stratospheric Cooling,” Science 311 (24 February 2006), 1138-1141

B.D. Santer et.al., “Contributions of Anthropogenic and Natural Forcing to Recent Tropopause Height Changes,” Science vol. 301 (25 July 2003), 479-483.

National Research Council (NRC), 2006. Surface Temperature Reconstructions For the Last 2,000 Years. National Academy Press, Washington, DC.

Church, J. A. and N.J. White (2006), A 20th century acceleration in global sea level rise, Geophysical Research Letters, 33, L01602, doi:10.1029/2005GL024826.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/anomalies/index.html

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp

T.C. Peterson et.al., "State of the Climate in 2008," Special Supplement to the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, v. 90, no. 8, August 2009, pp. S17-S18.

I. Allison et.al., The Copenhagen Diagnosis: Updating the World on the Latest Climate Science, UNSW Climate Change Research Center, Sydney, Australia, 2009, p. 11

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20100121/

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/01apr_deepsolarminimum.htm

Levitus, et al, "Global ocean heat content 1955–2008 in light of recently revealed instrumentation problems," Geophys. Res. Lett. 36, L07608 (2009).

L. Polyak, et.al., “History of Sea Ice in the Arctic,” in Past Climate Variability and Change in the Arctic and at High Latitudes, U.S. Geological Survey, Climate Change Science Program Synthesis and Assessment Product 1.2, January 2009, chapter 7

R. Kwok and D. A. Rothrock, “Decline in Arctic sea ice thickness from submarine and ICESAT records: 1958-2008,” Geophysical Research Letters, v. 36, paper no. L15501, 2009

http://nsidc.org/sotc/sea_ice.html

http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/cei.html

http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/Ocean+Acidification

C. L. Sabine et.al., “The Oceanic Sink for Anthropogenic CO2,” Science vol. 305 (16 July 2004), 367-371
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Thursday, 8 March 2012 4:42:57 PM
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One would expect that an ex-judge would be open-minded and look at all information in the marketplace. Therefore, it is surprising that Finkelstein departs from this openness by calling for a censorship approach in regulating the media.

With regard to the global warming debate, he would find it perfectly acceptable that the ABC rigidly adopts the pro-AGW line and rigorously censors any opposing views, i.e. the ABC steers altogether clear from a debate -- hardly a satisfactory or democratic approach for a supposed impartial national broadcaster, particularly when it is widely accepted that climate science is not settled.

As Cox points out, Finkelstein relies on information from the ACIJ and Robert Manne, both strong believers in AGW, but both seemingly science illiterate and both from the Left. This is perhaps not surprising given that Finkelstein is believed to be science-illiterate, left-leaning and activist.

Of the 10600 submissions received by Finkelstein's inquiry, no fewer than 9600 were boilerplate submissions from left-wing pressure groups, led by Avaaz, of which GetUp is a strong supporter. GetUp itself is known to be supported by George Soros, and by several trade unions. It is understood that previous GetUp! board directors include Labor Minister, Bill Shorten, Co-founder Lachlan Harris, who was Kevin Rudd’s former Prime Ministerial Press Secretary, and NSW Greens MLC, Cate Faehrmann.

The Government and the Greens could hardly be regarded as bastions of democracy and free speech, as they set up the inquiry after being unable to withstand criticism on various issues by the conservative press that was doing its duty. Now the Government appears to have had an indirect influence on the Inquiry, through its connection with GetUp.

if the Labor Government with Greens support, implements the Finkelstein proposal to create a new super-regulator called the News Media Council which will impose its idea of fairness and balance not only on newspapers but even on blogs with as few hits as 15,000 a year, Australia's democratic status would be threatened by what is effectively creeping totalitarianism.
Posted by Raycom, Thursday, 8 March 2012 5:42:29 PM
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Geoff; I am familiar with many of these papers which have failed and been rebutted; I am not going to re-read them; how about you pick ONE and explain how it supports your pro-AGW position.

I'll also pick one and explain how it doesn't: Church, J. A. and N.J. White (2006), A 20th century acceleration in global sea level rise, Geophysical Research Letters, 33, L01602, doi:10.1029/2005GL024826.

And note it has been rebutted by Houston and Dean globally:

http://www.jcronline.org/doi/full/10.2112/JCOASTRES-D-11A-00008.1

And locally by Watson:

P. J. Watson (2011) Is There Evidence Yet of Acceleration in Mean Sea Level Rise around Mainland Australia?. Journal of Coastal Research: Volume 27, Issue 2: pp. 368 – 377.

Both Watson and Houston and Dean find no increase in the rate of sea level increase compared to what it has been over the last century. That period featured periods of varying increases in sea level rate of rise with occasional periods of decline, which we currently going through:

http://www.real-science.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ScreenHunter_15-Nov.-15-18.28.gif

Let's make no bones about this; it completely contradicts AGW theory.
Posted by cohenite, Thursday, 8 March 2012 6:42:54 PM
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Elites like Finkelstein have argued for centuries that they only have the intellect to form the correct opionion.That is why 6 million Jews,23 million Russians, 60 million Chinese etc were exterminated since the elites know best.

Now Bob Brown supports Finkelstein and Bob believes in "Global Governance" under the UN who think drastic measures must be taken to curb the world's population to save the planet.

Continue to ignore your loss of rights like this and tyranny is just around the corner.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 8 March 2012 9:36:53 PM
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