How can that be of good, when some don't allow transfusions.

I'm perfectly willing to accept that our mental/emotional/spiritual wellbeing influences our physical condition and progress in recovery from illnesses. To the extent that people might believe that complementary medicines, homeopathy etc will make them better, it might even boost their recovery – the placebo effect is well-documented.

I’d also agree that the focus of some health care is shifting from the physical cause and treatment of ailments to the needs and circumstances of the patient. Good.

But this is no basis for endorsement of BS like iridology and homeopathy which make pseudo-scientific claims about their effectiveness which defy both credibility and evidence. Anything which claims to be medical “science” must stand or fall by the accepted criteria of scientific investigation. Most “alternative” medicines don’t – that’s why they are alternative.

Medicine and surgery don't have all the answers when it comes to effective and permanent healing. A spiritual approach has worked for me - if you have tried prayer before and it hasn't worked, investigate a new style of prayer which starts by being grateful for all the good that has come our way.

jimoctec,/quote..""As one..who has had a similar "near death" experience as Kerry Packer,..I agree with him,..there is nothing there.""

lol..you been to rome
and know it isnt there..

see the joke my beloved 'other'
first..you 'saw'..egsactly..what you expected to see
you expected nothing..so..*allowed yourself..to see nuthin

the spirit realm is much like anything else
if your not trying to hear..you cant listen
if your not looking..you cant see

if you dont know
what your looking at..your blind to seeing it as it is..

closed minds are dark minds
[and thats only a few reasons..why you saw nuthin]

others are[like pakker]..so dark in their souls
they awake in that dark place...others simply havnt taken their spirit eyes inputs..into their present awarness[yet]

often it takes sometime..to see/hear..with your spirit mind
the whole material mind needs be overcome...but then i guess your luckey..you didnt get the sleep mind imagry

that makes after life hellish
for far too many needlessly

some fall...and say im flying
others say im falling

yet others say
what my sight is seeing..is falling

yet when it's all falling together
we dont even know falling...cause nuthing is not falling

you seen nuthin
dont mean..nuthin was there to be seen
you just failed to see it

continued

""There are many surprising things..that happen in the healing process,..but the one commonality is..that it is the body itself which does the healing""

yes the body seems to heal itself
but the nature that heals is nurture
[good of god...what god does is sustain nature..into natural nurture]

ignore that science claims natural selection
as science selection..to refute god doing it naturally

BESIDES..placeobo..affect!
all medesine needs to is beat placeobo affect
to claim..it cures..lol..[but often medicin only cuts off the symptom...[and stop taking the medicine...the symprtom returns

often docters claim natures healing
as their own...[but they dont heal a bone..they hold it straight[and gods nature/nurture fixes it]

medisin cures a cold in 3 days
so does gods nurture

""and that conventional medicine's role..is to facilitate this.""

clever trick
claiming credit..for what it didnt actually 'do'

""so long as they only soothe the mind of the patient.""

yep
ya cant beat the simple things
cut out the vile..and hope it dont come back
[or heals straight]..

*docters cut..god heals their cuts
docters irradiate[kill]...gods good nurture heals
that docters kill/cut/poisend/mutilated..claim's

""I'll stick to proper
scientific medicine..thanks.""

no such thing
please give egsamples

what science..?
in what..specific medi-sin*..?

dont generalise..[thats why you wasted your chance to sureity]
and like sgt shuttze...your i
eye..see nuthing

i guess i should try
to explain...spirit seeing/hearing

see the rule is more[of the same]..will be given
[so first you 'see/hear'...in your mind
then all the.."more is a given'

but thats the difference
between seeing with your brain
and visualisation in ya mind..[your minds eye]

but its like trying to explain quantum physics to santa claws fans

you know its real...that changes
what you..seek to real-ise..

pearl before swine
but in the end..we all see
and that we thought valid..is revealed as invalide
built on feet of clay...foundations of sand...

as noted first
by those who dared ask...[i dont under stand]

please explain...why is it so?
in the spirit..that reply is instantly given

more of the same is a given
so dont love too narrow..and grow a narrow mind

broaden your mind...if you think that placeobo will cure you
in one third of the cases..[their belief in gods ultimate goodness..cure's them]..

till you see a better way..
the old narrow dont know different..ways
adults heal them selves..kids cry for mummies hugs
not docters injecting poisen...into a sterile world