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Vaccination saves lives : Comments

By Chrys Stevenson, published 29/12/2011

Why should quacks and frauds be allowed a public platform?

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LOL

This is turning into quite an entertaining thread.

I'll put in my tuppeny ha'porth

The Blue Cross wrote:

>>It was Murphy J who said that in recognising the right of everyone to believe in and follow a religion of their choice without state interference that required the acceptance of charlatans and carpetbaggers as an integral part of the deal, and, my God, we certainly have that, don't we runner?>>

Well said Judge Murphy and thank you for quoting it TBC.

And here are some "charlatans and carpetbaggers" par excellence

THE INSTITUTE FOR CREATION RESEARCH

http://www.icr.org/
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Sunday, 1 January 2012 10:11:26 AM
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Love your work, Firesnake.

"she really is no different to all those other 'cure' snake-oilers, like the ACL and their evangelical friends, is she?"

Yes. The ACL may be annoying bunch of conservative nutjobs, but they're mostly harmless. From what I've seen, they devote most of their time trying to censor any sexual media. Even if they succeed, nobody is actually going to die from a lack of pornography.

Whereas Meryl Dorey and her ilk devote their time to convincing people not to vaccinate their children. If they succeed, there is a very real possibility of significant illness or even death.

"The High Court has declared it to be a religion, and then described what a religion was."

And the High Court is incapable of getting things wrong? I didn't know they were infallible. Maybe you're thinking of the Pope?

"And here are some "charlatans and carpetbaggers" par excellence

THE INSTITUTE FOR CREATION RESEARCH"

Steven, I feel it is incumbent on me to once again point out that whilst telling fibs about biology may not be considered entirely ethical behaviour, the ICR don't actually kill people. The behaviour of the AVN is a lot more concerning than that of the ICR, and given that the article was about the AVN, is it too much to ask that you stay on topic rather than trying to wind up runner?
Posted by Humphrey B. Flaubert, Sunday, 1 January 2012 12:07:11 PM
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runner,
do you realise "Scientology" has nothing to do with science?

health problems after vaccination might not be due to the vaccination ...

the vaccination for HPV is not just for "women who sleep around", it is to stop HPV that people can catch in a number of ways even if they only ever have one sexual partner.

Meryl Dorey selling things available for free elsewhere, including her own site? What a piece of work ...
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Posted by McReal, Sunday, 1 January 2012 12:54:52 PM
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Humphrey wrote:

>>Steven, I feel it is incumbent on me to once again point out that whilst telling fibs about biology may not be considered entirely ethical behaviour, the ICR don't actually kill people. The behaviour of the AVN is a lot more concerning than that of the ICR, and given that the article was about the AVN, …..>>

I regard AVN and ICR as part of the SAME PHENOMENON along with such bizarre cults as the "9 /11 Truthers" and the "birthers" who believe Obama was ineligible to run for president as he was, so they assert, not born a US citizen.

There seems to be a definite market for conspiracy theories. Meryl Dorey is merely one "entrepreneur" tapping into this market.

Chrys Stevenson recognises this when she writes:

>>Increasingly, we live in a culture of fear and distrust. Don't trust the government; don't trust 'Big Pharma'; don't trust 'so-called' experts; don't trust the media – they're all out to get you. Ms Dorey exploits those fears …>>

I confess I do not understand the growing popularity of conspiracy theories, of the willingness of people to cling to beliefs in the teeth of the evidence. Nor have I ever heard a reasonable explanation for it.

But this tendency towards embracing counter-factual beliefs with increasing fervour is beginning to have a profound impact on the politics of Western countries. Ultimately that may do greater damage than the relatively few people who idolise Meryl Dorey
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Sunday, 1 January 2012 1:05:03 PM
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HBF, you clearly know nothing about the ACL, for a start.

Best to understand something before attempting to sound as if you know what you are talking about.

Then, as to the infallibility of the High Court, where, pray tell, does one go after there to get a High Court decision revoked?

Ah, nowhere, eh?

In this country, that court is the decider, not your apparently ill-informed opinion.

You draw a strange line-in-the-sand, so it seems, where only 'killing people' is beyond the pale.

But sometimes, perhaps far too frequently, 'killing people' is arrived at by other means than an arrow to the eye, or a spear through the ribs.

And sometimes, 'killing people' can involve no physical death at all, just a mental 'death' that leaves the body upright and functioning, as with more than a few OLO posters.

God moves in mysterious ways, after all.

It's not that I agree with that High Court outcome, but that I recognise the all-powerful position of it, something that you clearly have no idea about.

If you want to be a pedant, do try to be pedantic about something you know something about, lest you sound foolish in public.
Posted by The Blue Cross, Sunday, 1 January 2012 1:26:46 PM
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I am surprised that the anti-vax nutters haven’t found this thread yet. They are usually all over the internet trying to push their harmful agenda. Often under the pretence of ‘informed choice’, which can be much more accurately described as ‘uninformed choice’.

Dorey is quite a hateful creature and it is good to see the shellacking her organisation is getting. This is the sort of behaviour she exhibits: http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2010/s2951651.htm

Dorey and AVN are classic science deniers. They have a conclusion and then look for, or invent facts, to fit the conclusion. I think Chrys has characterised Dorey accurately.
Posted by Agronomist, Sunday, 1 January 2012 4:50:44 PM
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