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How racist were Australians when Hanson was flying high and what has changed? : Comments

By Andrew Jakubowicz, published 16/12/2011

The majority of Australians see the world through racially framed glasses, and some can be very nasty about it. If that's the reality, do we succumb or resist?

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Dear byork,

I agree that immigrants are targeted unfairly for unemployment. Of course labour moves across national boundaries much less freely than capital, and Marx made a critique of capitalism as it existed during the Industrial Revolution and shortly after. However, mechanisms in the capitalist countries such as labour unions, legislation and an independent judiciary developed where labour can get some redress for these inequities. Under Marxism unions became mere transmission belts for the party line and did not concern themselves with worker grievances. The judiciary merely served the purposes of the state. There were fewer rights for workers than in the capitalist countries.

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=12693 will direct you to my article on the Communist Manifesto as a recipe for tyranny and murder. I see no hope in Marxism for creating a better world. I think at present the capitalist Scandinavian countries are the fairest most decent countries on the planet with political freedom and a high level of material prosperity extending to most of the population.

Dear Saltpetre,

You wrote: “David f, please don't try to kid us there isn't a racism problem in the good old U.S. of A. - just check the stats for imprisonment rates.”

Apparently you didn’t read my post. I wrote: “The United States has been a racist country in the past in keeping black people in slavery. Part of the population is still racist.”

Is that denying there is racism in the US? Is that denying there is a problem with racism? The US has come a long way and has a long way to go.

There is an inordinate percentage of the US population in prison. Part of that problem is racism. Another part of it is the draconian drug laws where possession and use of narcotics along with the crime that flows from it are treated as legal rather than medical problems. Legalise drugs the way the US ended prohibition on booze, and much of the problem will disappear. FYI I am a member of Australians for Native Title and Reconciliation (ANTaR ) which seeks to redress Aboriginal inequities.
Posted by david f, Saturday, 17 December 2011 7:59:12 PM
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Has anyone been reading the DIMIA report quoted in the article?
Straight off the bat it identifies a structural problem in the campaign against "Racism".
The Negative focus groups, which were made up of White Australians identify "Racism" as mainly overt acts of violence and political oppression, the, fictional Hollywood version of White Racism in other words.
The other groups made up of sympathetic Whites and non whites identify fairly trivial matters, rudeness, impatience, spite, ignorance and fear of otherness in everyday interactions.
So the White groups who were selected as the most "Racist" have a distorted view of what constitutes Racism, a view fed by fiction and propaganda from the United States and the Australian Tabloid media.
They deny that they are supportive of extreme Racist elements and that it's "other people" who commit Racist crimes, skinheads, Nazis Klansmen etc.
We see the effect of this distorted, media driven world view in evidence among the sympathisers on this thread, I challenged the anti Racists to identify the Racist troublemakers in the community and they failed to accept the challenge then immediately went on to discussions of slavery, the rate of incarceration etc in the U.S.A, which have nothing whatsoever to do with Racism in Australia.
I've had to cite overseas examples of "Racism" myself, albeit of that more down to earth impatience and rudeness which is part of everyday life in urban, multicultural communities.
The attitude of most White people responding to the Emma West video is "Big deal" , non Whites simply say that this sort of thing goes on all the time, that they're used to it but that she's an ignorant and foolish young woman.

To put it simply, Emma West is the epitome of a "Real Racist" in the context of the DIMIA report, showing teenagers films like Schindlers List or Mississippi Burning is pointless, it isn't going to enable them to deal with people of that disposition or mindset.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 18 December 2011 5:53:54 AM
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We put up with floods, Fire, tempests and accidents but we don’t allow for the vermin which consistently rule/ruin our lives.
Our Party Politicans have no compunction in creating any stories or other incidents to discredit any person who they consider a danger to their own power to hold the people at ransom.
Posted by merv09, Sunday, 18 December 2011 7:04:47 AM
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Why do people keep getting sucked in by this junk? Try these scenarios:

A bus driver packs more and more passengers on a bus. Do the passengers:

(a) Get angry at each other, necessitating the driver to lecture them about racism and the benefits of living harmoniously together?

(b) Abuse the driver for letting so many people on the bus?

(c) Abuse the bus company executives for their greed and disregard for the wellbeing of the driver and passengers?

A government department unknowingly employs a convicted felon from another country as a purchasing officer. The employee proceeds to embezzle the department of millions of dollars over several years. Does the public react by:

(a) Demanding the immediate sacking of all foreign workers, necessitating a massive public anti-racism campaign?

(b) Demanding answers as to how a management hierarchy (incidentally mostly Anglo-Saxon males) can be so incompetent as to not adequately vet a job applicant then be ignorant of such blatant fraud for so long?

In light of these scenarios, is it more likely that people oppose mass immigration:

(a) Because of the lack of any economic benefit to the average Australian, and the infrastructure shortfalls and public debt balloon which results?

(b) Because they are racist?
Posted by Fester, Sunday, 18 December 2011 9:22:46 AM
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...# Those who condemned her as racist for those comments are the ones that need to be condemned as being anti-free speech, and for trying to stifle subject matter that is of national importance and that SHOULD be freely debated #...

Posted by Ludwig, Friday, 16 December.

...Added to the TOP of "that" list, Tony Abbott!!
Posted by diver dan, Sunday, 18 December 2011 10:11:59 AM
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The spiritual effects of Anti Racism on the target populations, White people in other words, are calculated to breed despondency, guilt and self recrimination.
Now how the hell is that conducive to fostering a sense of personal responsibility and a desire to become involved in, say reconciliation between White and Indigenous Australians?
Anti Racist is a code word for anti White, what anti Racism does is actually strip White people of any sense of Civic or personal responsibility by creating an Abstract image of the Racist Nazi who wants to kill six million, the "Other person who is Racist".
All this "Step Up-Step Back", "Progressive Stack" stupidity in the Occupy movements is a prime example of what I'm talking about.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 18 December 2011 11:05:25 AM
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