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By Mishka Góra, published 1/12/2011Critical thinking eludes the modern mind leading to ethical atrocities.
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Posted by Martin Ibn Warriq, Sunday, 4 December 2011 12:20:20 PM
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Sorry, Martin Ibn Warriq, I can't let that one through to the 'keeper.
>>It needs no faith to show that God exists, Aristotle did that 300 BC. Proving God exists is the easy part<< Aristotle did no such thing. He completely fudged the question of proof, just as you do yourself. Not to mention, he changed his mind later in his life, as he gained more real-world experience. Just as so many people do today. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose, eh? Posted by Pericles, Sunday, 4 December 2011 3:21:54 PM
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@Pericles.
Aristotle's cosmo-logical proofs are metaphysical. They don't rest on an accumulation of physical facts. Only one instance of change (challenge: try and understand change) is enough to reason to God. I've linked to Feser many times who shows how it is done if you don't understand. So Aristotle adding experiences later in life, in principle, can make no difference to these proofs. While I'm here, to generate a bit more respect for the man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ-QIH-6duc is gushing about Aristotle. People like James Chastek can try and help us approach minds like Aristotle and Aquinas but ultimately . . . we have to awe. P.s. Aquinas, that stupendous genius himself (of the 5 greatest to have lived?), reserved special esteem for two people other than Our Lord. He called Aristotle 'The Philosopher' (probably the greatest philosopher?) and St. Paul 'The Apostle' "Your great learning Paul" Acts 26:24 Posted by Martin Ibn Warriq, Sunday, 4 December 2011 8:08:18 PM
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Bempec,
You completely fail at comprehension. Those other countries in the mid east do not lay claim to be like westerners. If they did that and continued in their current mode of operation I would just as vehemently condemn them. Israel makes claim to western behaviour but behaves in a vein similar to all those on my list. It is dishonest. And please I will give you just one opportunity to withdraw your charge of me vilifying Jewish people. I have never ever done that and it is against our laws. Posted by imajulianutter, Sunday, 4 December 2011 8:23:15 PM
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Martin Ibn Warriq
You too completely fail at comprehension and your slur also shows you not only as an intellectual midget but also a dishonest one. I expected way better from you. Neither Bempec nor Mishka have displayed your intellectual heights. Posted by imajulianutter, Sunday, 4 December 2011 8:29:47 PM
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In other words, they are not proof at all, Martin Ibn Warriq. Exactly as I said.
>>Aristotle's cosmo-logical proofs are metaphysical<< Interesting, though, that you cannot even be honest about this either, can you. Aristotle engaged in a cosmological argument. There are no such things as "cosmo-logical proofs", as you very well know. "The cosmological argument is less a particular argument than an argument type. It uses a general pattern of argumentation (logos) that makes an inference from certain alleged facts about the world (cosmos) to the existence of a unique being, generally identified with or referred to as God." (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/cosmological-argument/ Naturally, if you assume that there is a God, you will eventually arrive at the conclusion that there is a God. >>So Aristotle adding experiences later in life, in principle, can make no difference to these proofs.<< One more time. They. Are. Not. Proofs. Understand? Posted by Pericles, Monday, 5 December 2011 6:59:28 AM
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Agreed. The anti-Israel crowd lack all proportion and give lip service to equality under law. Israel is 7 million and surrounded by 300 million muslims whose doctrine of dhimmi, or permanent second class status to Christians (who are being murdered and expelled en masse from mulsim countries) and Jews, precedes the State of Israel by 1300 years.
http://markdurie.blogspot.com/2011/06/dhimmitude-and-ibn-ajibah-on-death-of.html
The UN partition of India-Pakistan receives - muslims are the common denominator - is studiously ignored.
These anti-Israel people, especially in Western media, give air to corrupt authoritarian Arab regimes who find the Palestinians useful in their 'blame everything on the Jews' control of the population. And their mindless support of Arab Spring - only ushered in Salafist and Muslim Brotherhood political control.
So imajulianutter has tens of millions under Sharia to worry about now!