I think, Scooper, that you agree that there is a genetic causal link to criminal behaviour. Sex, age, intelligence, family history and hormonal levels all play significant parts in the creation of a criminal personality. All of these factors are either fully or primarily genetically inherited. Cultural values may be more important in creating criminal values, but if negative cultural values are presented as exemplary behaviour to men who are young, immature, not very bright, with thrill seeking personalities who are prone to violence, the likelihood of them adopting criminal attitudes is infinitely greater than for more intelligent and mature men.

I would further submit that this is exactly what is happening to American negroes. Black culture is no longer Jazz or Rhythm and Blues. Black “Rap” music sanctions violence against women, violent criminal behaviour, the solving of disputes with weapons, the glorification of illegal drug abuse, disrespect for authority and the promotion of violence towards white people. The result has been that black women are being murdered by black men at a rate 6 times higher than for their white sisters. Violent criminal behaviour in black areas is so bad that in 1993, Sharon Kelly, the mayor of 90% black Washington DC, asked President Clinton to mobilise the National Guard because the police had lost control of the streets. Though only 12% of the U.S. population, blacks commit more than half of all rapes and robberies and 60% of all murders in the U.S. 1 in every 4 Black males between the ages of 20 and 29 is currently in prison or on probation or parole. Approximately 50% of all black males will be arrested and charged with a serious felony during their lifetime and a black person is 56 TIMES more likely to attack a white person than Vice Versa.

Considering the unacceptably high rates of criminal behaviour perpetuated by blacks in the USA, and regardless whether their high rates of criminal behaviour is genetically inherited or culturally acquired, would you not agree that it would be catastrophic for our society to allow such people to immigrate here?

Pericles,

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But why Trad refuses to denounce such a “scriptural penalty” in principle is because “AS A MUSLIM I CANNOT DENOUNCE ANY OF THE SCRIPTURAL PENALTIES AND STILL BE A MUSLIM. I can though say that these penalties can only apply when the deterrents are in place and the Caliphate system exists, for example, you cannot penalise adultery unless marriage is easy and affordable for people to enter into. You cannot penalise thieves by cutting off their hands unless you have a welfare state” (a friend’s email 20/7/2005).

Trad says the UWS conference was motivated by the very tension sheik Abu Baka noted. He attempts to appease his fellow bigots by getting them to see that if they just thought of homosexuality as “self-harm,” then they might see that they should “counsel” their homosexual workplace colleagues “with advice that would help them to break away from that self harm” of homosexual acts/lifestyle (http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2002/520/520p8.htm). “If this advice,” he continues, “is against workplace policy, then you have to determine whether the interest of the person and your principles are greater or the workplace policy”. In other words, if someone (a Muslim in this context) genuinely cares about their homosexual colleague’s welfare and if they genuinely have principles, they would defy anti-discrimination law, seeing it as out of touch with reality and thus not genuinely aligned with people’s welfare.

Nonetheless, Greens Senators Bob Brown and Kerry Nettle were happy to campaign with Trad recently!! (see http://www.stopwarcoalition.org/).

Please, Pericles, don’t arrogantly assume that people who disagree with you have no mind of their own. Fraser’s credentials do not “provide some form of legitimacy, if not credibility,” to what many already know is the case. The ACA poll is not reflective “of the danger of this form of publicly-funded bigotry,” but rather the empirical fact that people want to debate the inconsistencies of multicultural policy. In putting forward an extremely limiting two options, the ACA poll cannot reflect that most people might, for instance, disagree with Fraser on the crime-genetic argument but agree with him on the multicultural one.

Keep an open mind.

Can any of the white superior chaps show me the genetic profile of the various "race's", are you show us how these variation effect the nature of the "races"?

1. While the Western world of whites have civilised and settled down, Black Africans in Rwanda and Zimbabwe continued to rape, murder and steal from their fellow man, often singling out whites (i.e. - Zimbabwe and farmers).

2. - Black, male men have 20-30% more testosterone in their systems (I mean sub-saharan blacks) rendering them more aggressive and spontaneous. This is possibly why they never invented the wheel.

3. Aborigines in aus saw simple loincloths as luxuries, never mastered metalwork and had NO form of farming/sustainability whatsoever until white settlement and civilisation. They were in the sub-stoneage. They were NOMADIC. Do you know what NOMADIC means? Whites were NOMADIC 1000 years ago, but within 300 years they had constructed castles and towns, and also had re-mastered metalwork and simple technology. Aborigines did not progress or change in any way for 4000 years, until whites arrived.

4. Think, briefly, about what Africa would be like if there was no contact with Whites at all. Imagine if they were left to their own devices. The Egyptions would possibly have progressed into a modern society, but sub-saharan blacks? Central and southern blacks would not have even developed a written language and would be living in mud huts treating their women as slaves and selling their daughters, while I am sure Europe would not be too far behind where it is today. And for the record - no black man who has not been educated and civilised by whites has EVER invented something signifigant. Only Whites and some asians have been responsible for the absoloute majority of signifigant, world altering discoveries/inventions.

The obvious differences in racial groups is evident in the way some countries advanced far more rapidly than others technologically and socially. Spare me your leftist BS - we are different, god made us this way, let us stay with our own kind and live happily. I dont need to share my western european nation with a group of people who, had it not been for my ancestors, would be living in the near stoneage.

Redneck- I agree that there is evidence of male criminality being related to genetics, however it is an interaction of factors that lead to criminal behaviour, not one. Genetic research at this time is far from conclusive as to whether certain races are more criminal than others. A friend of mine who is a biologist remarked to me the other day, that even though some people may have the gene for black hair, it does not mean they will have it.

You make the mistake of ignoring years of serious criminology as does Fraser, that crime itself its influenced by a variety of factors and not one factor may be the sole cause or influence. It is ironic that despite the supposed influx of African immigrants into our nation as Fraser implies our crime rate has far from increased due to the supposedly violent nature of these people. I think you are grasping at straws like Fraser, without actually putting forward any evidence.

@ uberlegen: 1. While the Western world of whites have civilised and settled down, Black Africans in Rwanda and Zimbabwe continued to rape, murder and steal from their fellow man, often singling out whites (i.e. - Zimbabwe and farmers).

1.Rwanda before the colonial War and arrival of the Germans was a peaceful place. I guess you watched Hotel Rwanda,so now your historian of African studies.

2.Zimbabwe before the British invasion and colonial War was a peaceful place, history proves that. I think you watch to much Television.Those whites in Zimbabwe are not "single out" the whites you see on T.V. are farmers who stole tribal-ansectoral land.They force blacks families off their land.

3.The violent murder of indigenous australians, commited by invading Australian convicts, sorry colonizers . Who now want to be thought of as civilized people ,who have "settle down" then taught people to live more in this time.