Tip toeing through the posters :)

1/ I have never found any evidence to suggest that there are anything other than 'cultural' differences between races. Intelligence, pre-disposition to crime, are not genetic, they 'may' be cultural. Malay's are 'laid back' and less interested in academic persuits, Chinese are the opposite.
Thats why Malaysia introduced the 'New Economic Policy' which put quota's of malays ahead of Chinese. It was so sensitive it was listed on the '5 sentitive issues' which malaysians were not allowed to discuss under threat of indefinite detention without trial.

2/ That minorites and ethnic groups usually seek to defend and propogate their genetic stock is pretty well a given. There is no suggestion in this of racial superiority or inferiority, its just how people function.

IMMIGRATION POLICY should be always based on social,cultural and political compatability to the host nation, and where needed it should be VERY discriminatory. (but not on skin color)

While I don't take Frasers views hook line and sinker, they do provide a great stage on which to debate important issues of today and yes, freedom of speech :)

The fact that 95%-98% of people in jail in any society are males seems to refute your view that crime and genetics are not linked, David Boaz. The TRA studies (Twins Reared Apart) also confirmed that adopted twins raised by different families had a statistically significant tendency for both twins to become criminals. Finally there is the research of today’s geneticists which also confirm the strong likelihood that genetics and crime are linked. I submit the Australian Institute of Criminology’s own paper “Is There a Genetic Susceptibility To Criminal Acts” (Trends and Issues. October 2003)

Your second point is valid and I do not see anything fundamentally wrong with racism. The desire to live amongst ones own kith and kin is a powerful human need. The ethnic ghettoisation of Sydney is a form of racism inflicted upon Australians but you never hear the Brahmin caste complaining about that. Humans are fundamentally tribal and territorial, no matter what the morally superior tell us, birds of a feather just keep flocking together. And they don’t like it when birds of a different feather come onto their territory.

Neither is there anything fundamentally wrong with discrimination. Just having a national border and calling the people who live within it “citizens” is discrimination.

DUCK, for the anthropologically challenged here.....
(yes, I had to look it up too)
"phenotype is the constellation of observable traits; genotype is the genetic endowment of the individual"

Redneck.
I take your point about males in jail, but attibute that to 'maleness' in the genetic sense, not racial. Over-representation of a particular ethnic group in custody is better explained I think by cultural issues which can include religion, that any genetic approach.

On point 2, we always need to bear in mind that real 'racism' is the belief in the superiority of ones own and the inferiority of others on racial grounds. I don't accept that idea, I accept only 'difference'. So, being vigilant against cultural or social 'usurpers' of other ethnic groups toward a prevailing cultural flavor is not in my view 'racism' it is simple common sense.

At every point where we may make a stand on our cultural heritage, it is crucial that we be aware that it is not because 'we' are better, but because we 'prefer' our own cultural flavor, and it may well be better 'for us', but not intrinsically. (though we might argue that for us, some cultures are 'inferior' in terms of some of our values such as the sanctity of life, and our abhorrence to female genital mutilation etc but I'd hesitate to go too far down that pathway.)

Being one of the 'Bible Bashers' here.. its worth noting the following:

There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free,
there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28)

THOR... indeed :)

cheers

Professor Fraser seem to know alot about crime and genetics,I think he needs to study and explain why countries like Colombia Venezuela Russia India thaliand Ukraine Indonesia all rank top ten in over all world murder rates . Russia is rank #2 America # 6 and America's population is bigger and America has "Africans" The UK
ranks #18.
RAPES; Canada ranks #3 Australia ranks #4 India#5 Mexico#6 France#8 Germany#9 Russia#10. These countries have very small or no African population what so ever. Australia rank ahead of zimbabwe#13 Spain#12 South Korea#11.

Mr Fraser should be commended on putting his ideas - as wrong as they are - out into the public domain. These ideas are best dealt with in the clear light of day.

The last paragraph of his narrative represents nothing less than muted "call to arms" for all right thinking Australians; he evokes the remnant folk memory of a small group born from British stock whose "homeland'and way of life is in peril. He goes on to declare that God helps those who help themselves and the capacity to act may be our only salvation - throw in a few more adjectives, only a little more invective and a spruiker with just a bit of froth at the edge of his mouth and you get a fairly alarming picture.

These are dangerous ideas indeed and need to be condemned.

And there is an alarming subtext to his writing that makes one wonder if his reservations about other races based on rather questionable IQ measures and levels of serum testosterone has any limitations; would he be inclined to extend his prejudice to those with a suitable racial profile but also exhibit a low IQ or higher levels of serum testosterone? - does he have further designs on any other class of people?

Boaz – you confuse me sometimes, most of the time it’s ‘what is this guy on about’, but then you come out with some startling rationality. Are you two people using one computer? :)

I must say I’m surprised that there are still claims out there that different races have different IQ levels etc. These sorts of myths were debunked eons ago. It’s depressing that even today there are those out there that feel they can place blame on a whole specific group like this, it shows how far we still have to go.

It’s obvious that anyone who tries to justify racism on scientific grounds will never get very far. It’s also obvious we can’t create a pure white blooded society because, needless to say, the concept is completely ridiculous.

So where are we? Do we really believe we have more of a right to this land than others? I mean…I learned how to share when I was in primary school. I guess a few people missed that lesson.

If you’re worried about crime or whatever, then it’s important to consider the reasons and causes behind why certain groups have higher crime rates (because it’s a genetic impossibility that the tendency is inherent). I don’t profess to have the answers of course, as we are talking about very complex social issues. But it’s obviously not particularly productive to just blame the whoevers (insert minority of your choice).

It’s just too easy a scapegoat, and the answers to problems like crime are never, ever that easy.

Put simply: get over the race thing, it’s unhelpful.