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Shalit - deal or no deal? : Comments

By Mishka Góra, published 20/10/2011

Trading 1,027 criminals for one Israeli soldier does little more than guarantee the abduction of more Israeli soldiers.

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Ok Poirot

I'll amend the last sentence to read

To say the Israeli justice system is committed to these principles and practices,

to quote David f (Posted by david f, Thursday, 20 October 2011 7:42:07 PM, in the comments to David Singer's article
'Sorry Sarko, your position on Palestine is a mistake :) Comments'

makes me 'doubt you are a contemptible idiot. You seem ignorant and prejudiced. However, with an open mind and a willingness to learn both can be corrected.'
Posted by imajulianutter, Friday, 21 October 2011 8:04:39 AM
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imajulianutter, here is a quote from Pope Benedict:

"we Christians must also become increasingly aware of our own inner affinity with Judaism. For Christians, there can be no rupture in salvation history. Salvation comes from the Jews (cf. Jn 4:22). When Jesus’ conflict with the Judaism of his time is superficially interpreted as a breach with the Old Covenant, it tends to be reduced to the idea of a liberation that views the Torah merely as a slavish enactment of rituals and outward observances. In fact, the Sermon on the Mount does not abolish the Mosaic Law, but reveals its hidden possibilities and allows more radical demands to emerge. It points us towards the deepest source of human action, the heart, where choices are made between what is pure and what is impure, where faith, hope and love blossom forth." (http://catholicglasses.wordpress.com/2011/09/23/pope-benedict-addresses-the-jewish-community/)
Posted by Mishka Gora, Friday, 21 October 2011 9:56:11 AM
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@imajulianutter, do your homework! You should try actually looking at Israel's laws, the basis for Israeli justice. Here is the text of Israel's Basic Law that protects human life and dignity:

http://www.knesset.gov.il/laws/special/eng/basic3_eng.htm
Posted by Lindy, Friday, 21 October 2011 10:28:51 AM
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@imajulianutter.

A reasonably well informed Christian, particularly one so ready to declare "deep offense" on behalf of their tradition, would have an acquaintance with the theological work done on Romans 11:11-23 and about which Pope Benedict XVI has written beautifully. Or if not well informed, at least honest enough to search the internet about how to think theologically about the Christian-Jewish relationship. You plainly are neither.

So it invites the question; how to characterise your writing? Your use of the word troll accusingly is helpful, and your writing is helping me define the term distinctly.
Posted by Martin Ibn Warriq, Friday, 21 October 2011 10:49:09 AM
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So maybe, in the light of Mishka Gora's article on "refugees" she'd like to explain why she is sympathetic to Shia Hazara and opposed to Shia Hezbollah?
They're both supported by Iran, they both come into conflict with other groups in their respective countries due to their religion and the fact that they act as provocateurs and terrorists in the interests of their benefactors.Would she support allowing "persecuted" Lebanese Shia a free pass into Australia as well as the "persecuted" Hazara?
I mean, what's the difference?
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 21 October 2011 11:23:52 AM
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@Jay, I’ve read that article and Ms Gora doesn’t mention Hazara or Hezbollah. In fact, I’ve done a google search I can’t find her mentioning either anywhere. So what are you going on about? How about you stick to what she’s actually written instead of asking her to explain feelings you imagine she does or doesn’t have?

As for the difference between Hazara and Hezbollah, that’s easy: one is an ethnic group, another is a political entity. The difference is that one you’re born into and one you choose. I think that’s the crux of the issue here. You have failed to make the distinction between someone who’s been imprisoned for a crime (the Palestinian prisoners) and someone who’s been imprisoned for being a Jew (Shalit). I don’t judge people by their race or ethnicity, but I’m getting the impression that some of you guys do.
Posted by Montgomery, Friday, 21 October 2011 12:39:20 PM
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