RJ:

...I am unable to offer a counter argument to technicalities I know little about; except from casual knowledge gleaned from doco's on the subject of "demolition by explosives": But surely the logics of life are against any suspicion that the Americans carried out such an act of terrorism against themselves.

...An example would be if the Sydney harbor bridge were felled by our own side, the same logics would play against the theory suspecting our own teams involvement. And what would be the point? If one wished to start a war with the neighbors,the most effective beginning would be to blow up their house, not our own. Your theory belies your total lack of faith in American sanity.

...It is not to say America is without fault, nor is it to say Americans are not averse to blowing the "smithereens" out of their enemy; historic evidence abounds to support the fact. And much evidence abounds supporting their propensity to blow themselves up on the battlefield; but those incidences are accidental encounters. Never has it been recorded that Americans enter a battlefield to deliberately inflict self causalities, to enable the finger of scorn to be pointed at the enemy.

...In my mind the jury is out on this theory. And if, per-adventure, your facts are true, its more a question of "Who dunnit", but my money would rest on the Arabs as the culprits. Anyway, thanks for the laugh!

There's little to be gained from continuing a discussion with Arjay on the realities of 9/11, diver dan. He will totally ignore anything you say, and respond with a cut'n'paste job from the myriad conspiracy sites, without engaging any critical faculties along the way.

Makes for a pointless, one-sided discussion.

A bit like trying to teach your goldfish to talk.

The trick he uses is to go straight past the facts, and ask ridiculous questions that rely on a pre-existing acceptance of the conspiracy. For instance, he asked:

>>How did Osama and Al Qaeda get at least 100 tons of explosives (nano thermite) into these 3 buildings without most people knowing?<<

This is a classic when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife question, since the answer is "they didn't".

"Aha!" says Arjay in triumph, "then it must have been the CIA!"

What Arjay has failed consistently to answer is how did *anyone* "get at least 100 tons of explosives (nano thermite) into these 3 buildings". You would have thought, would you not, that someone might have noticed?

Not so, says Arjay. It was merely brilliantly executed.

By the same firm that brought you the Bay of Pigs, we are encouraged to believe.

http://ghalibsultan.wordpress.com/2011/05/09/historic-bloopers-of-worlds-best-spy-agencies/

It is a pure fantasy world, and will eventually die out as those involved come to realize how supremely silly they look.

Many months before 911 they were doing extensive elevator renovations to the towers.This gave them access to the inner steel columns that supported the structures.

Marvin Bush,Geroge Bush's brother owned the security company that managed WTC security.

There was motive,opportunity and lots of money to be made.

Neither Pericles or Diver Dan can address the science yet again.

Pretty conclusive, huh.

>>Many months before 911 they were doing extensive elevator renovations to the towers.This gave them access to the inner steel columns that supported the structures.<<

And the explosives were planted in these columns, you think? And nobody noticed? In the normal course of events, renovations such as these are formally inspected by an independent body - usually the local building code inspectors. Were these folk part of your conspiracy too, do you think?

>>Marvin Bush,Geroge Bush's brother owned the security company that managed WTC security<<

Oh, that old chestnut.

Marvin Bush was on the Board of Securacom, a company that held the security contract for the WRC between 1996 and 1998. He did not "own" the company, and since 2000 did not even hold any shares in it.

In September 2001, the security contract was held by EJ Electric. Not a Bush to be seen. Overall security was the responsibility of the New York City Port Authority. No Bushes there either. Head of building security was John O'Neill, an ex-FBI agent, who died there on the day of the attack.

But you knew all that, didn't you Arjay?

As an avid follower of every conspiracy theory known to man, you must keep stumbling across the truth every so often, yet you still choose to ignore it.

Why is that, do you think?

Ajay: and (Pericles)

...One thing about the good old US of A, they try not to waste time keeping secrets, since living inside their reality is such a difficult task for the outsider.

Both Diver Dan and Pericles yet again fail to address the scientific realities.More bluster than substance.Both cannot even begin to address my 15 points that raise serious questions about the truth of 911.

Start at freefall collapses.I'll explain the anomalies if you both dare confront the truth.