Lisa Curis and her South Asian Study Centre need to do their homework.It is now common knowledge that explosives were used in 911 not only on the towers but also WTC 7 which no plane impacted.How did Osama and Al Qaeda get at least 100 tons of explosives (nano thermite) into these 3 buildings without most people knowing?

Here is the forensic scientific proof http://www.ae911truth.org/ and also see http://patriotsquestion911.com/

As Kevin Bracken says,it is about time we faced the truth of 911.China has warned the West that an attack on Pakistan is an attack on its sovereignity.

It is also about time the war mongering West backed by the banking,industrial,military complex stopped these wars of imperialism under the guise of terrorism.The West will not win a convertional war against Russia,China,Iran and possibly India.It will end up being nuclear.

Lisa you state:

“The US cannot be seen before the world, or more especially by the American people, turning a blind eye to Pakistan’s complicity in the murder of US citizens serving in Afghanistan.”

Perhaps you should be asking the world at large why it is turning a blind eye to the United States complicity in the murder of Afghani, Pakistani, Yemeni, Somali and many other civilian peoples in the name of U.S. Hegemony.

The U.S. is a morally corrupt nation that only serves its self interest, what a terrible article and how do you justify your blind faith to such a quasi religious stance on killing more people in the name of so called freedom? Pitiful

Lisa is another one of these writers from some miscellaneous Foundation, Institute, and on, all mouthpieces for groups who are never prepared to identify their real motives. We have them here as well such as the Lowy Institute, another with an agenda that is seldom of value to this country and knowing the habits of the founder, probably tax deductible as well. One should ask the highly esteemed soccer person about his past history in the Golan Brigade in the early days of Palestinian ethnic cleansing.
Hard to respect a man like that. It is a familar venue for Gillard, as one would expect.

It costs nothing to come up with a name as in this case. You can see such "Foundations" every day, even in these columns.

Telling this writer about the 9/11 realities, Arjay, would be a waste of time. If the truth was known, she is in her position as part of the administrations's front line troops promoting theories that have little to do with the real world.

Poor old Pakistan. It is determined to rid its country of American influences, the evil CIA, American troops, Mossad assassination groups, all designed to disrupt the country. Now it seems that the US wants to use Pakistan as a scapegoat for anything that happens in that part of the world. This was mentioned six months ago as an objective of the US administration. Surely no one could be naive enough to think for one second that the US with its terrorist history and its war record over the last sixty years, over 200 wars, all designed to expand the US military influence and add to the 780 bases now owned by this bankrupt country, has any real interest in the people in that geography. They are creating enough instability to maintain their defence spending and to take over this country as the next step, after they are forced perhaps by public opinion, to leave their current military dalliance and drug cropping in Afghanistan.

It is hard to see any moral values in the US today.

Geoff of Perth.There are THREE major reasons the War Mongering Neo-cons of West want war.

1/ They have been caught out murdering their own people in the crimes of 911.

2/ The GFC which they orchestrated is causing civil unrest.People are beginning to realise bailouts and the counterfeiting of our currencies by the US Fed,IMF and Bank of International Settlements is stealing our wealth.

3/The neo cons see the invasion of other countries as a means of stealing more wealth and escape from their own people who are fast realising who the real criminals are.

Arjay:

I think you need some assistance to wake from your nightmare. You seem to have a major problem with Americans regarding trust RJ. Surely you dont take seriously for one minute, the theory that GW and Co blew up the twin towers killing three thousand of their own citizens do you?

And theory two; they counterfeit our currency in order to send us broke!

No No its not on mate!

...But this point is true:

"As policy, it (USA) would not distinguish between terrorist organizations and nations or governments that harbored them".

...So it has a clear policy to retaliate against (in this case) Pakistan at will; but the pressing question is how? This article establishes one line of thought which would offer a reasonable solution in the short term with limited cost and limited involvement of allied forces.

...An added advantage to them is the abandonment of a treacherous and unreliable ally (sic), and fundamentally transforming those savings into additional security measures at the border. It is a simple strategy which would work in Americas favor

Diver Dan address the following;

1/Nearly freefall acceleration through the path of greatest resistance in all 3 911 buildings.This defies the laws of physics.

2/ Impossible symmetry of debris distribution.Natural collapses due to fire are organic and cause buildings to fall over.

3/ Extremely rapid onset of destruction.

4/Over 100 first reponders reporter explosions & flashes.

5/Multi tonne steel sections ejected laterally 200m at 80 kph.Human bone fragments found atop buildings 200m away.How did a gravitational collapse pulverise human bone and evaporate the flesh.Very few bodies found in tack.

6/Mid air pulverisation of 90,000 tonnes of concrete and metal decking.

7/Massive volume of pyroclastic like clouds.We see this in volcanoes.It take enormous amounts of energy to do this.

8/ 370 m diameter debris field; no pancaked floors found.

9/Isolated explosive ejections 20-40 stories below the demolition front.These in the demo industry are called squibs or miss timed explosions.

10/Total building destruction;dismemberment of steel frame.

11/Several tonnes of molten iron found all 3 high rises.Aircraft fuel burns at less than half the temps required to melt steel.

12/Huge steel girders cut at 45 deg as if an oxy torch had done it.

13/Evidence of thermite incendaries found in the steel and dust samples.

14/FEMA analysis;sulphidation.oxidation& intergranular melting.

15/No precedent for a steel framed high rise collapse due to fire.

This is just the start of the anomalies Diver Dan.

RJ:

...I am unable to offer a counter argument to technicalities I know little about; except from casual knowledge gleaned from doco's on the subject of "demolition by explosives": But surely the logics of life are against any suspicion that the Americans carried out such an act of terrorism against themselves.

...An example would be if the Sydney harbor bridge were felled by our own side, the same logics would play against the theory suspecting our own teams involvement. And what would be the point? If one wished to start a war with the neighbors,the most effective beginning would be to blow up their house, not our own. Your theory belies your total lack of faith in American sanity.

...It is not to say America is without fault, nor is it to say Americans are not averse to blowing the "smithereens" out of their enemy; historic evidence abounds to support the fact. And much evidence abounds supporting their propensity to blow themselves up on the battlefield; but those incidences are accidental encounters. Never has it been recorded that Americans enter a battlefield to deliberately inflict self causalities, to enable the finger of scorn to be pointed at the enemy.

...In my mind the jury is out on this theory. And if, per-adventure, your facts are true, its more a question of "Who dunnit", but my money would rest on the Arabs as the culprits. Anyway, thanks for the laugh!

There's little to be gained from continuing a discussion with Arjay on the realities of 9/11, diver dan. He will totally ignore anything you say, and respond with a cut'n'paste job from the myriad conspiracy sites, without engaging any critical faculties along the way.

Makes for a pointless, one-sided discussion.

A bit like trying to teach your goldfish to talk.

The trick he uses is to go straight past the facts, and ask ridiculous questions that rely on a pre-existing acceptance of the conspiracy. For instance, he asked:

>>How did Osama and Al Qaeda get at least 100 tons of explosives (nano thermite) into these 3 buildings without most people knowing?<<

This is a classic when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife question, since the answer is "they didn't".

"Aha!" says Arjay in triumph, "then it must have been the CIA!"

What Arjay has failed consistently to answer is how did *anyone* "get at least 100 tons of explosives (nano thermite) into these 3 buildings". You would have thought, would you not, that someone might have noticed?

Not so, says Arjay. It was merely brilliantly executed.

By the same firm that brought you the Bay of Pigs, we are encouraged to believe.

http://ghalibsultan.wordpress.com/2011/05/09/historic-bloopers-of-worlds-best-spy-agencies/

It is a pure fantasy world, and will eventually die out as those involved come to realize how supremely silly they look.

Many months before 911 they were doing extensive elevator renovations to the towers.This gave them access to the inner steel columns that supported the structures.

Marvin Bush,Geroge Bush's brother owned the security company that managed WTC security.

There was motive,opportunity and lots of money to be made.

Neither Pericles or Diver Dan can address the science yet again.

Pretty conclusive, huh.

>>Many months before 911 they were doing extensive elevator renovations to the towers.This gave them access to the inner steel columns that supported the structures.<<

And the explosives were planted in these columns, you think? And nobody noticed? In the normal course of events, renovations such as these are formally inspected by an independent body - usually the local building code inspectors. Were these folk part of your conspiracy too, do you think?

>>Marvin Bush,Geroge Bush's brother owned the security company that managed WTC security<<

Oh, that old chestnut.

Marvin Bush was on the Board of Securacom, a company that held the security contract for the WRC between 1996 and 1998. He did not "own" the company, and since 2000 did not even hold any shares in it.

In September 2001, the security contract was held by EJ Electric. Not a Bush to be seen. Overall security was the responsibility of the New York City Port Authority. No Bushes there either. Head of building security was John O'Neill, an ex-FBI agent, who died there on the day of the attack.

But you knew all that, didn't you Arjay?

As an avid follower of every conspiracy theory known to man, you must keep stumbling across the truth every so often, yet you still choose to ignore it.

Why is that, do you think?

Ajay: and (Pericles)

...One thing about the good old US of A, they try not to waste time keeping secrets, since living inside their reality is such a difficult task for the outsider.

Both Diver Dan and Pericles yet again fail to address the scientific realities.More bluster than substance.Both cannot even begin to address my 15 points that raise serious questions about the truth of 911.

Start at freefall collapses.I'll explain the anomalies if you both dare confront the truth.

First things first, Arjay.

>>Start at freefall collapses.I'll explain the anomalies if you both dare confront the truth.<<

You explain how the explosives got there, then we can discuss "explosions".

'Cos if there was no way they could have been placed, in the quantities required, with the necessary precision, without detection at the time and without any of the (many? how many?) people involved subsequently spilling even the tiniest bean, then you can waffle on about "freefall" until you are blue in the face, it won't change the reality.

None of the buildings was blown up. Live with it.

Repeating lies often Pericles will not make them become the truth.You and Diverdan have failed to even address one of my 15 points.

Even a house of cards put in a vacuum Pericles will not collapse at near freefall speeds since even a structure held together just by gravity,presents some resistance when falling.These buildings had massive steel structures holding them together.Did God suspend the laws of physics on that day?

The only man made force that can cause this effect is controlled demolition.This has been attested to by over 1600 architects and engineers + 400 professors.Now these are only a few who have the courage to speak up.

It is about time many more faced the truth. http://www.ae911truth.org/

*Makes for a pointless, one-sided discussion.
A bit like trying to teach your goldfish to talk.*

ROFL Pericles, I'll have to keep that one for my quotable quotes list!

Arjay, if you bothered to check, you'd find that those towers
were flawed in design from the start and hardly strong. Trusses
rather then beams were carrying the concrete floors and it does
not take that much heat for trusses to bend. Once they bend the
whole building is unstable.

In fact if you've ever seen what a good wind can do to trusses,
when loadings are applied in ways which they wern't intended,
you'd soon understand why the buildings collapsed.

Note how the new designs now have a concrete core and no more
trusses. People have learnt from their mistakes.

The Towers were not flawed in design nor was the 47 storey WTC 7.The engineers designed them to take multiple impacts of the larger 707 the biggest passenger plane of that time.

Telling lies Yabby ,won't make the truth go away.Neither NIST or the 911 Commission said that the tower's design was flawed.NIST said their was "sulphidation and evidence of inter-granular melting" They did not investigate the melting.They stopped their investigation at the moment of collapse.The pile driver ie the building above the impact zone,not only fell at 23 deg,it pulverised itself to dust before it could crush the lower flaws.

*The engineers designed them to take multiple impacts of the larger 707 the biggest passenger plane of that time.*

Arjay, those building were designed in the 60s and the design was
described as "innovative" at the time. There were no PCs to
do the sorts of simulations of planes flying into buildings, more
like some rough guesses. Hardly scientific. Besides, the
insulation around the columns had been shown to be flawed in the
93 WTC bombing. Only a small part of it had been replaced thus far.

Of course nobody would have written in an official report that the
design was flawed. Imagine the legal implications! In a country
where everyone sues the pants off everbody.

One mob thought that the bolts holding the trusses had sheared off,
quite possible, another mob thought that the trusses had bent in
the heat, also quite possible. Fact is that they were flimsy trusses
and there was no concrete at all, holding up the building.

Even engineered sheds, built with similar trusses, will blow away
in freak wind storms, when loads are put on them in ways that were
not calculated in the first place. Those building weighed
1 million tonnes, which equates to huuuuuge pressure.

Arjay says man never went to the moon too.

As the Afghan President has decided that Pakistan is the only party who can negotiate an end to the war in Afghanistan (http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011\10\02\story_2-10-2011_pg1_1) it is pretty clear who the enemy is (or rather, whom the proxies answer to).

The question is why are we providing aid to Pakistan? Why is the US Providing aid to Pakistan? Why aren't we aiding the Baloch people who if helped to independence would stop the Pashtun insurgents (the ISI Puppets) from crossing in Kandahar & Helmand Provinces?