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Why Israel will never concede to a Palestinian state : Comments
By Moammar Mashni, published 19/9/2011Without a Palestinian state there won't be peace.
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Posted by Ulis, Monday, 19 September 2011 1:22:03 PM
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“Having historically supported the two-state model as the only acceptable solution, Australia has an important role to play if it genuinely wants to see both peoples thrive. Otherwise, it will be party to Israel’s apartheid policies and practices”.
One should be under no illusion that there is any interest in justice from Gillard and her Zionist followers like Danby, Emerson, Conroy and all the less outspoken fellow-travellers in "our" parliament together with the less obvious sycophants that infest both sides of the house for electoral gain, akin to the US. These members really do not have an individual opinion on the Middle East other than what is dictated by Gillard who gets it straight from the Melbourne Zionist cabal who sponsored the same feckless leader into the role she currently mismanages, daily. They have been to Israel so many times under the guise of the well-sponsored Israel “Leadership Seminars”, ( Israeli ‘brainwashing sessions’) enjoying the grafty high life, from which 17 of their number have not long returned, with 81 from the US Congress just weeks ago. How many to Palestine? Not one. That is how it has been done for decades, but far, far worse in the US, where the corruption and graft is blatant and highly visible but no one cares. Growing as well here in the same parasitic way. Sadly, the world has accepted sixty years of apartheid practices. Check on where the money and support came from. You will clearly find the architects of Australia’s foreign policy in the Zionist support groups.In Australia, thick on the ground in Melbourne with pockets full of politicians. As they say in the world's #1 US / Afghanistan drug industry........ just follow the money trail. Be assured that Gillard, who has absolutely no interest in any justice for Palestine would have already directed our vote to be against the Palestinians in the UN. Rudd, Foreign Minister, now doing whatever it takes to return to return to power, has now learnt not to argue, well, on this point, anyway. Not long now. Check the vote. Posted by rexw, Monday, 19 September 2011 4:58:45 PM
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It is very clear that the writer is able to assemble a lot of false information and serve it up as the truth. However, very few people take this kind of approach seriously and in fact his information is nowhere near what actually happenned.
Most Palestinians were Jews in the late 1930s! The arab population had little interest in more than scratching a living from the unfriendly soil. Due to political forces from the British and arab countries they were unable to do more. Those in control were absent from the land itself and lived in luxury in Beriut (Lebanon), from the rents taken from these arab peasants (felaeen). The development of this sandy stretch of land was due to the Jews alone who later named it Israel, thereby "democratically" allowing some arabs to make as much opposition as possible in their trials to take over a land in which there was no sincere interest in developing nor living in. Unlike many other nations and peoples who are willing to commit themselves to fight for what they see as right, the arab Palestinians were content to remain on their poor villages and were forcefully made to vote and object to the Jews, against who a few of them could only terrorise. This policy came from arab forces outside of the land of Israel who still want to drive the Jews into the sea! Repeated calls by Israel and the US for a peace settlement by negociation have resulted in refusal and worse. It has often caused the politically minded arab outsiders to subsidize and launch "Jihards" (Holy Wars, as if war is ever holy!), in a series of somewhat pathetic terrorist attacks against the civilian population of Israel. There is no serious attempt to seek peace on their side and the claims of your Austrialian correspondent to blame the Jews (as always it propoganda that is the way that hate is supposed to be created), will only delay what could actually be a simple and short process of getting the non-politically motivated and peace-loving sides to achieve a compromise agreement. Posted by Macrocompassion, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 1:28:33 AM
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Macrocompassion,
For anyone that can have a username of Macrocompassion, one would imagine to actually have some compassion as well. Such does not appear to be the case here. No one in the world other than the poster would think that Paletine's lack of interest in a collection of charades, Peace Talks, instigated by Israel and their tame puppet, the US, had any degree of sincerity. Why they even dragged along Mubarak to give it some credibility. As for the hiswtory of the Jews in Palestine, the less said the better. Your facts are incorrect Real compassion is giving the Paslestinians their country back and ceasing the murders, ethnic cleansing and inhumanity, such items apparently having been forgotten by the writer. Probably subscribes to The Australian where the Likudist Murdock and his sycophantic staffer, Sheridan, colout the real truth to suit their masters. Compassion is in the dictionary. Look it up and then write another post. Posted by Rhys Stanley, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 7:18:45 AM
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A Palestinian state won't bring peace unless they recognise the right of Israel to exist and proffer a genuine hand of peace.
If the Palestinians had done so, sixty years ago and the many time since, the Palestinians would have a prosperous state of their own now. Palestinians have been ransomed by self-seeking dangerous leaders, or incompetent ones. In 2007 PA Prime Minister Salaam Fayyad embarked on the first true effort of Palestinian state-building with modest success, but the PA remains a corrupt and dysfunctional organization. And let's not forget the Palestinian Civil War in which more Palestinians were killed by other Palestinians in the first ten months, than had been in conflict with Israel. Currently, the Hamas/PA split doesn't bode well for any sort of Palestinian state ... Both Hamas and Fatah remain armed, terrorist groups. Whilst Abbas defied Hamas' massive victory in the 2006 parliamentary elections, Abbas' own position is currently unconstitutional. Hamas rules Gaza and wields power on the West Bank. Any predictions ...? These recent surveys of Palestinians in east Jerusalem is quite enlightening as to Palestinian feeling. http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DRIT=1&DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=442&PID=0&IID=8573&TTL=What_Do_the_Arabs_of_East_Jerusalem_Really_Want? Rhys and your hangers-on. You have proven time and time again that you know nothing about what is happening in the Palestinian territory, nor indeed want to know. In fact, when you raise an "issue" you dump the Palestinians "right in it." Your agenda is not about any Palestinian cause, but something quite different ... Your libels, lies and distortions would have brought an approving smile to Goebel's face ... Posted by Danielle, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 5:47:08 PM
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I was in Israel in 2000 when the father of the current Syrrian regime died.
I heard some of the comments and laughter from the Israeli's and whilst in part understandable, it indicates to me, as one factor amongst many, that there is simply so much of a depth of hatred in certain quarters as to necessitate a seperation. Further, I enjoyed my time in (Haifa mostly) Israel/Palestina with both Israelis and Palestinians, Muslims and Jews and whilst I did not see any of them as being perfect, neither did I find any of them to be entirely devoid of merit either. .. What matters to me is that both sides suffer in the presence of the other, thus again, if it were my decision, I would seperate them, forcibly if necessary. .. Again, if it were my decision, I would bequeath unto the Palestinians land to be their second homes (indeed semi autonomous regions in other countries at the least with a real prospect for prosperity ( I would do the same for the BlakFella's in Australia incidentally as that is the only way in my view to truly protect and preserve the uniqueness that they bring to Humanity) and encourage them to merely stake a legal claim in relation to the occupied territories. That is not to say that I think that any tin pot legal process will truly achieve anything, I don't, but rather it becomes a matter of "reasonableness" and a demonstrated renunciation of warfare "terror" tactics, to enjoy life as something other than wretched pawns in the hands of the perverting. And that is not to say that I do not believe that the Jews will just move in settlers and take over, as indeed I think that that is exactly what they would do, but really (and noting that I care not to offend the zealots) it really is just a crappy little sand box. ;-) Posted by DreamOn, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 1:54:20 PM
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America under President Obama makes much of Netanyahu. If Israel had a more malleable leader peace could be attained as most of the terms of negotiations have been agreed upon.
I really don't think it makes any difference which party is in power in Israel or in America when it comes to making peace between Israel and the Palestinians the only difference is that the political Left couch their language in a more diplomatic manner than the right and the American law makers whether Republican or Democrat do exactly as Israel tells them.
I believe Mr Mashi hasn't taken into consideration the new dynamic emerging from the Middle East. First point to address is why President Abbas wants the UN General Assembly to recognize Palestine within its borders as of 4 June 1967. It is a foregone conclusion that an overwhelming majority of the UN will vote in favour. America has already stated that it will veto any such move at the UN Security Council. Insisting on a vote President Abbas will in effect politically isolate Israel and America and its allies in the Middle East.
Turkey and Egypt the two most powerful Islamic countries have already stepped in to take America, Saudi Arabia and Europe's place and have been welcomed with open arms. America needs a politically stable Middle East to ensure unhampered delivery of oil, consequently there is really very little it can do in the Middle East without harming its strategic interests.
It is very possible that as weak as the Arab League might be they could be pushed into joining a trade embargo against Israel and those countries that trade with it locking out American companies that have lucrative contracts in the Arab world.
The Arab world is changing and influence from the West is declining. The old form of pro-Israeli peacemaking is dead and America needs to examine where its interests lie and change its policy accordingly.