Why is it that people are unable to accept that some problems are not solvable ?

It is a very sad situation for the Jewish people to find themselves in.
Whilst the rest of the world enjoys some semblance of free will, Israel will be forever mired in conflict.

And what if the USA recognises the Palestinian state with post '67 borders?

I think that the prevailing Israeli/North American regime view is that Israel cannot be secure with a Palestinian State on its borders.

That is because an Independent State has the right and means to raise arms and militia and there are without a doubt more than a few Palestinians who will continue to hate Israelis and try to kill them until their dieing breath

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That is not to say that I approve of the manner in which the Israelis treat the Palestinians, I don't, however, I do believe that the Israelis should have their own country too and be free of fear and terror.

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Likewise, I support the Palestinians to have a State, just not along side Israel.

Perhaps a new place ala Darharb in Sinai, if the new Egyptian leaders were to be so kind.

Beaches, dolphins, Special Sheeshah - I'd be happy with that. Of course, concurrently, you could stake a legal claim in whatever the relevant jurisdiction is, and then just pack up and go.

Maybe a piece of Jordon, or Syria, or Lebanon.

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Better to take small steps, as I believe that even if something miraculous happened and all Palestinians became Israeli lovers overnight, the Jews would still make you prove it for millenia and treat you as 2nd class citizens all the way along.

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Thus, before the last Gaza invasion, my suggestion was to blow out the back door and push everyone out into the desert and the loving arms of the N.G.O.'s, wall it back up after and make a new Green Town settlement.

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I note that certain Islamic religious figures and their supporters deny the right of anyone to relinquish Israel/Palestine, JeruSalem or the Golden Mosque (and I currently support the Jews doing with it as they will) however, if that is the case, then let these same people stand in front of the uranium tanks and bullets, and let the average folk have a new Darharb and a legal claim, instead of making the women and children pay for the bitter folly of old men.

Oh, and whilst a forced exodus may be a War Crime in the minds of some, better that than U235 Enrichment Waste Munitions (D.U.) and White Phosphorous.

My understanding of the history is that around 63 the Romans drove the
Israelis out of the area and sometime later the Arabs arrived from the
North East, perhaps the Iraq area, and took over the area now called
Palestine.

So some 2000 years later the Israelis came back, although some had
drifted back over the centuries, and said "We are Back !"

To mind mind there is no solution to such a multigenerational challenge.

Moammar Mashi has written an informative article on the intransigence of the State of Israel when it comes to defining borders and making peace with the Palestinians.

America under President Obama makes much of Netanyahu. If Israel had a more malleable leader peace could be attained as most of the terms of negotiations have been agreed upon.

I really don't think it makes any difference which party is in power in Israel or in America when it comes to making peace between Israel and the Palestinians the only difference is that the political Left couch their language in a more diplomatic manner than the right and the American law makers whether Republican or Democrat do exactly as Israel tells them.

I believe Mr Mashi hasn't taken into consideration the new dynamic emerging from the Middle East. First point to address is why President Abbas wants the UN General Assembly to recognize Palestine within its borders as of 4 June 1967. It is a foregone conclusion that an overwhelming majority of the UN will vote in favour. America has already stated that it will veto any such move at the UN Security Council. Insisting on a vote President Abbas will in effect politically isolate Israel and America and its allies in the Middle East.

Turkey and Egypt the two most powerful Islamic countries have already stepped in to take America, Saudi Arabia and Europe's place and have been welcomed with open arms. America needs a politically stable Middle East to ensure unhampered delivery of oil, consequently there is really very little it can do in the Middle East without harming its strategic interests.

It is very possible that as weak as the Arab League might be they could be pushed into joining a trade embargo against Israel and those countries that trade with it locking out American companies that have lucrative contracts in the Arab world.

The Arab world is changing and influence from the West is declining. The old form of pro-Israeli peacemaking is dead and America needs to examine where its interests lie and change its policy accordingly.

“Having historically supported the two-state model as the only acceptable solution, Australia has an important role to play if it genuinely wants to see both peoples thrive. Otherwise, it will be party to Israel’s apartheid policies and practices”.

One should be under no illusion that there is any interest in justice from Gillard and her Zionist followers like Danby, Emerson, Conroy and all the less outspoken fellow-travellers in "our" parliament together with the less obvious sycophants that infest both sides of the house for electoral gain, akin to the US.

These members really do not have an individual opinion on the Middle East other than what is dictated by Gillard who gets it straight from the Melbourne Zionist cabal who sponsored the same feckless leader into the role she currently mismanages, daily. They have been to Israel so many times under the guise of the well-sponsored Israel “Leadership Seminars”, ( Israeli ‘brainwashing sessions’) enjoying the grafty high life, from which 17 of their number have not long returned, with 81 from the US Congress just weeks ago.

How many to Palestine? Not one.

That is how it has been done for decades, but far, far worse in the US, where the corruption and graft is blatant and highly visible but no one cares. Growing as well here in the same parasitic way.
Sadly, the world has accepted sixty years of apartheid practices. Check on where the money and support came from. You will clearly find the architects of Australia’s foreign policy in the Zionist support groups.In Australia, thick on the ground in Melbourne with pockets full of politicians.

As they say in the world's #1 US / Afghanistan drug industry........ just follow the money trail.

Be assured that Gillard, who has absolutely no interest in any justice for Palestine would have already directed our vote to be against the Palestinians in the UN. Rudd, Foreign Minister, now doing whatever it takes to return to return to power, has now learnt not to argue, well, on this point, anyway.

Not long now.

Check the vote.

It is very clear that the writer is able to assemble a lot of false information and serve it up as the truth. However, very few people take this kind of approach seriously and in fact his information is nowhere near what actually happenned.

Most Palestinians were Jews in the late 1930s! The arab population had little interest in more than scratching a living from the unfriendly soil. Due to political forces from the British and arab countries they were unable to do more. Those in control were absent from the land itself and lived in luxury in Beriut (Lebanon), from the rents taken from these arab peasants (felaeen).

The development of this sandy stretch of land was due to the Jews alone who later named it Israel, thereby "democratically" allowing some arabs to make as much opposition as possible in their trials to take over a land in which there was no sincere interest in developing nor living in. Unlike many other nations and peoples who are willing to commit themselves to fight for what they see as right, the arab Palestinians were content to remain on their poor villages and were forcefully made to vote and object to the Jews, against who a few of them could only terrorise. This policy came from arab forces outside of the land of Israel who still want to drive the Jews into the sea!

Repeated calls by Israel and the US for a peace settlement by negociation have resulted in refusal and worse. It has often caused the politically minded arab outsiders to subsidize and launch "Jihards" (Holy Wars, as if war is ever holy!), in a series of somewhat pathetic terrorist attacks against the civilian population of Israel. There is no serious attempt to seek peace on their side and the claims of your Austrialian correspondent to blame the Jews (as always it propoganda that is the way that hate is supposed to be created), will only delay what could actually be a simple and short process of getting the non-politically motivated and peace-loving sides to achieve a compromise agreement.

Macrocompassion,

For anyone that can have a username of Macrocompassion, one would imagine to actually have some compassion as well.

Such does not appear to be the case here.

No one in the world other than the poster would think that Paletine's lack of interest in a collection of charades, Peace Talks, instigated by Israel and their tame puppet, the US, had any degree of sincerity. Why they even dragged along Mubarak to give it some credibility.

As for the hiswtory of the Jews in Palestine, the less said the better. Your facts are incorrect

Real compassion is giving the Paslestinians their country back and ceasing the murders, ethnic cleansing and inhumanity, such items apparently having been forgotten by the writer.

Probably subscribes to The Australian where the Likudist Murdock and his sycophantic staffer, Sheridan, colout the real truth to suit their masters.

Compassion is in the dictionary. Look it up and then write another post.

A Palestinian state won't bring peace unless they recognise the right of Israel to exist and proffer a genuine hand of peace.

If the Palestinians had done so, sixty years ago and the many time since, the Palestinians would have a prosperous state of their own now.

Palestinians have been ransomed by self-seeking dangerous leaders, or incompetent ones.
In 2007 PA Prime Minister Salaam Fayyad embarked on the first true effort of Palestinian state-building with modest success, but the PA remains a corrupt and dysfunctional organization.

And let's not forget the Palestinian Civil War in which more Palestinians were killed by other Palestinians in the first ten months, than had been in conflict with Israel.

Currently, the Hamas/PA split doesn't bode well for any sort of Palestinian state ... Both Hamas and Fatah remain armed, terrorist groups. Whilst Abbas defied Hamas' massive victory in the 2006 parliamentary elections, Abbas' own position is currently unconstitutional. Hamas rules Gaza and wields power on the West Bank. Any predictions ...?

These recent surveys of Palestinians in east Jerusalem is quite enlightening as to Palestinian feeling.
http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DRIT=1&DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=442&PID=0&IID=8573&TTL=What_Do_the_Arabs_of_East_Jerusalem_Really_Want?

Rhys and your hangers-on.

You have proven time and time again that you know nothing about what is happening in the Palestinian territory, nor indeed want to know. In fact, when you raise an "issue" you dump the Palestinians "right in it." Your agenda is not about any Palestinian cause, but something quite different ... Your libels, lies and distortions would have brought an approving smile to Goebel's face ...

I was in Israel in 2000 when the father of the current Syrrian regime died.

I heard some of the comments and laughter from the Israeli's and whilst in part understandable, it indicates to me, as one factor amongst many, that there is simply so much of a depth of hatred in certain quarters as to necessitate a seperation.

Further, I enjoyed my time in (Haifa mostly) Israel/Palestina with both Israelis and Palestinians, Muslims and Jews and whilst I did not see any of them as being perfect, neither did I find any of them to be entirely devoid of merit either.

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What matters to me is that both sides suffer in the presence of the other, thus again, if it were my decision, I would seperate them, forcibly if necessary.

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Again, if it were my decision, I would bequeath unto the Palestinians land to be their second homes (indeed semi autonomous regions in other countries at the least with a real prospect for prosperity ( I would do the same for the BlakFella's in Australia incidentally as that is the only way in my view to truly protect and preserve the uniqueness that they bring to Humanity) and encourage them to merely stake a legal claim in relation to the occupied territories.

That is not to say that I think that any tin pot legal process will truly achieve anything, I don't, but rather it becomes a matter of "reasonableness" and a demonstrated renunciation of warfare "terror" tactics, to enjoy life as something other than wretched pawns in the hands of the perverting.

And that is not to say that I do not believe that the Jews will just move in settlers and take over, as indeed I think that that is exactly what they would do, but really (and noting that I care not to offend the zealots) it really is just a crappy little sand box. ;-)

But I would have for the Palees some of the "Goodness of Life" (for want of a better term) that we can all potentially share in common.

Neither would I have the Israeli's continue to suffer, OR to defile themselves in the dehumanising ill treatment of others, whether considered necessary for "security" or not.

I am sure that the Israelites have things that they would rather be doing, and I believe that in the future that the days will come when they will no longer choose to suffer what they consider to be terror tactics, and will commit even more savage acts of brutality than that which we have seen to date, though, this too, I find to be understandable in the context of overall human behavior.

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Additionally, it concerns me that as long as there is conflict in the region, the various enclaves of "the ill begotten spawn of the transplanted genocidal poms" will use this in part as an excuse to militarily entrench themselves in the region, and I would have it be otherwise, were the choice mine.

Bazz,

Historically there has always been a considerable Jewish presence in the region. However, In the 1940's Arab States violently forced more than 800,000 Jews out of their territories, whilst appropriating all their assets, both public - hospitals, schools, businesses, and private. Jews were left with the clothes on their backs. The Arab world became effectively and remains Judein Frei. The expulsion of Jews from Arab territories was due to the establishment of Israel, to which these Jews sought sanctuary.

Game plan:

Combined Arab territories 13,486,861 sq km - effectively Judein Frei. (This territory is nearly twice the size of Australia 7,686,850 sq km). Arab population 300 million.

Against

Israel territory 20,770 sq km. Israel's population 7,116,200. Israel is 650 times smaller than Arab territory - Israel north to south 424 km, at widest point 114 km, at its narrowest measures 15 km wide.

By comparison Cairo (including suburbs) is 86,369 sq km, population 14,872,204.

Israel's population - 75% Jews, 25% Arabs and minorities persecuted in Arab States, who consider themselves Israeli. Ba'hais and Druze have their HQs in Israel. There is a Gypsy presence in Israel. Bedouin serve in the paratroops; Druze in border police. These groups seeking haven, their home, in Israel would fight to the death to protect it.

The world witnessed the combined Arab Might attack fledgling Israel. Subsequent attacks have been made on a regular basis; Gaza to this day is sending rockets into Israel. Whenever, Arabs feel a need for a 'hunting season' ...

This game plan could have been the brain child of the Nazi regime.

Instead, Israelis defended themselves showing themselves to be worthy fighters; they also used international law to secure their territory. The occupation is legal under international law.

If Israel lost a single battle, they would lose their country. Arabs can afford to lose battles, the consequences are not the same. Israel cannot afford to lose any battle.