Vanka <"Under feminist rule, about 25% of children rarely see their natural father, and now the desire is to increase this % through IVF"

Really? Where are your stats? Maybe they are on the same websites Phillo looks at?

If what you say is true, then all those naughty fathers should hang their heads in shame for running out on their children's mother,
and not wanting to spend time with their kids.

Sounds like a man's world to me :)

IVF actually produces very few births, so I doubt that tiny number of babies will make much difference in any way.

What of the God-fearing-Christian-Heterosexual-'ideal'-married-couple IVF babies?
What will you tell those Daddies about their new IVF babies?

Suzanonline
“Consistent with prior studies in Australia (ABS 1998), around one-third (36%) of fathers do not appear to have any face-to-face contact with their children. By contrast, almost half (48%) of fathers have children stay overnight, while the remaining 17 per cent see their children only during the day.”

http://www.aifs.gov.au/conferences/aifs8/parkinson.pdf

Far from abdicating their responsibilities, over 70% of these fathers wanted more contact.

“By contrast, almost three quarters (72%) of the non-resident fathers who
rarely or never saw their children believed that they had nowhere near
enough contact (but note the 18 per cent who believed that the amount of
contact was about right.)”

The demonisation of fathers by the feminist movement, labelling them as “dead beats” or “absent fathers”, does not equate with the real data.

But I have never known a feminist to get anything right. Not once.

If legitimised, homosexual marriage will likely lead to many more babies being born through IVF.

Although the many issues and problems surrounding IVF are not being thought about, and I have noticed, not even mentioned by homosexual marriage lobby groups.

It seems to me that same-sex marriage is like trying to connect the male to male fittings, or female to female fittings on a garden hose.

It's just not on, and a reflection on the plight of modern thought that we are even discussing it!

Good point Al.

I can't read comments on the Gay Marriage issue anymore. Got about a third of the way down and had to stop. The ridiculous arguments people use are just appalling...seriously. I'm all for public debate of the big issues but the homosexual lobby really keeps stooping to new lows.

Please, gay marriage advocates, change your arguments. "We need equality" and "Stop discrimination" are not arguments- Marriage is discriminatory on many levels- The Australian marriage laws openly discriminate against those who want to marry multiple partners and they discriminate against those under 18, AND they discriminate against Homosexual people. All three of those groups are discriminated against because they distort the original purpose of Marriage. Marriage was never intended to be about allowing YOU the RIGHT to "celebrate your love with your soulmate" or "not be discriminated against" or anything like that.

Please, Gay marriage advocates, I plead with you- be honest enough to admit your agenda. Let's get that out in the open here. Your case is based on changing the fabric of marriage and it's purpose- you want to make marriage about selfish adult desires rather than it's traditional purpose of nurturing children for the betterment of society and the betterment of family. Please stop going on about discrimination and equality- those of us with a brain can see through those arguments, they are very transparent. If it was primarily about equality and stopping discrimination then you would be campaigning to allow those madly-in-love polygamists to get hitched. But I don't see you doing that, funnily enough. You have your civil partnerships, you just want to hijack someone else's word- marriage. Please, be honest with yourselves and the rest of us for a change.

"The ridiculous arguments people use are just appalling"

Trav you and the previous few posts have just given a more than adequate demonstration of that.

The pathetic excuses you use to try and disguise a desire to discriminate against those who don't fit your idea of what should be is sickening.

Maybe a little less time spend thinking about the physical aspects of homosexual love might do some of your co-posters some good. The obsession looks to be quite unhealthy.

R0bert