Lets agree to disagree as I believe in social justice and human rights, if that make me a lefty in your thinking, instead of being a me, me, me rightwinger, then I am happy to be who I am! Humanity must always come before greed!!

kipp how do human rights and social justice demand an end to free speech?

It's a convenient crutch, hey I'm different, in another post you were calling for censorship of News Ltd .. because they are popular, now you're hiding behind your politics says, tomato tomatoe we're all just different

no, sorry, you can't just slink away from what you were demanding, that free speech be curtailed because you disagree, and it has absolutely nothing to do with human rights or social justice.

How is News Ltd against human rights and social justice .. they are not, but they do criticize and hold people to account who BS, like our current coalition government.

man up and admit it, you don't like News Ltd, because they are popular and people prefer their message to the constant negative drone of the left .. otherwise, leftie newspapers would rule .. yes?

Right wing crap + left wing drivel sums it all up quite nicely.

The media merely reflects our childish and dysfunctional political duopoly.

Take TV for example. It could have been a wonderful thing. Instead it has become the most inane waste of time invented. Why the commercial stations interrupt perfectly good commercials with crap programming is beyond me. Same with commercial radio.

I prefer to read and don't have time for a daily paper so I subscribe to both the Weekend Australian and Weekend AFR. Lasts me a week. Everything else comes via the net and radio.

Both papers are fairly well balanced apart from the few obvious dingbats.

The problem with Murdoch is he is not only becoming increasingly toxic with governments around the world but also with his own shareholders. It will be that latter that bring him down.

Refer to my post on another thread:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12380&page=0

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-29/british-phone-hacking-inquiry-opens/2815008
Kipp you will in time find your combative fellow posters are uninterested in truth balance or fairness.
This link asks questions.
Why is it not seen in the propaganda and power farming Murdock press?
Why is any attempt to review that power and privilege seen as left wing?
Other links will be opened on going to this one.
Australia, largely because of Murdock power, is not seeing the full story.
Watch how ever, and it may well take place! if Murdock arranges[he has that much power] new Labor leadership.
Those today crying left wing beat up will soon bleat another tune.
For our country's future our only interest in the matter should be has he and his firm done wrong.
Tea Party need to win, no matter how is sad.

Belly "Australia, largely because of Murdock power, is not seeing the full story." If you only read the Fairfax pages and the ABC, you would have been totally surprised by PM Rudd's downfall, you might even be surprised there are other views on man made climate change.

You see, if you do not read the only viable alternative to those sources, you do not get the full story .. and that is why we do not want News Ltd closed down.

The journalists at News Ltd are allowed to investigate, they are allowed to be journalists, in the ABC and Fairfax, they must be evangelists, and shape your views .. no nasty counter stories to the glory of man made climate flagellation there, no siree.

Now to be fair, the ABC occasionally allows a mention of climate skepticism, but only so 20 articles can then be written damning any disbelievers - that's not news, or opinion, it's religion.

Do you wonder why News Ltd is popular, we don't necessarily want the left wing and climate religious views constantly thrown at us, nor do we want alternative sources in the free press closed down by a minority who dislike contrary opinion.

Would you like to ban people off OLO with contrary opinions?

You'll want to control all TV next, and then we'll be offered the ABC or SBS .. cool eh? /sarc

News does have some token investigatory journalism but to suggest that they alone have that and do not engage in their own brand of evangelism is pure and simple right wing crap.

The true art of newspaper investigative journalism has diminished as management has slashed costs. A paper requires revenue to survive and with declining readership comes the decline in advertising revenue. Management are then forced to contain expenses and true investigative journalists are alway the first to go as their lead time does not add to the bottom line.

Inevitably a lot of what passes for so called investigative journalism is mere opinion dressed up as fact. Fairfax is currently going through this stage under a new CEO.

To argue one side or the other is superior is mere brain dead ideological bias.

The 70% ownership of newspapers is a valid point. If someone owns 70% of something then it is likely that they will have 70% of customers. In some states News is 100% and punters will buy it anyway despite their own personal bias.

Given Murdoch's increasing toxicity it would make good business sense to flush him out to unlock the estimated 25% of value which has been discounted from the share price due to his nepotism, unsound business practices and increasingly unprofitable fetish with newspapers.