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The Australian Democrats are no template for the Australian Greens : Comments

By Patrick Baume, published 18/7/2011

The Democrats were a party of the centre, but the Greens are a party of the left. That makes the dynamics quite different.

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I believe than many who voted Green at the last election did so thinking that, like the Democrats before them, were harmless garden gnomes who would have no real influence on policy, and were a safe repository for a protest vote against the two major parties. How wrong they were - now a party of extreme zealots control our country, and our whole way of life will all be changed in their bigoted image.
Posted by monoccular, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 5:26:17 AM
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"now a party of extreme zealots control our country, and our whole way of life will all be changed in their bigoted image."

The Greens only have the level of control that the others give them. Eg if Labor and the Libs can agree on something then it does not matter much how the Greens vote. The only opportunity they have to implement Green Policy where it's not otherwise part of the plans of the Lib's or Labor is by trading, allowing something else to pass in exchange for what they want. If it's extreme and allowed to past then it apparently wasn't too extreme for one of the other parties.

So really concerns about the power the Greens hold is about the integrity of the two major parties.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 6:03:10 AM
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http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/greens-are-draining-the-nations-grassroots-20110718-1hlgh.html
Robert sorry mate, but no.
I understand the greens are of great use to your conservative side of politics.
And that you see a better side of them than me, not For I am sure that reason.
My time here in exile is because of that thread.
In it my right to think as I wish was challenged and it is my view I was informed if I wanted to be spoken to,, it would be best if I kept my thoughts to myself.
RObert, fellow posters, my party is fighting for its very existence.
I fear Murdock, Abbott's ability to sell lies and a truck load of non core promises.
But if the greens get their wish, to stop clear eyes and heads, not the insulting ranters we see here, they insult free speech.
But if considered though is defamed because it is not wanted?
Maybe just maybe, greens are a Trojan horse living as they must to have power in my party's heart, but not its brain not ever.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 7:00:05 AM
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@R0bert:

Thanks for that. Clearly, the anti-Greens operate on Abbott's strategy that if you tell a lie often enough it becomes true.

Col Rouge deliberately confuses the Greens political party in Australia with small-g 'green' environmental groups in Britain 20 years ago. Certainly there have been attempts by socialists to infiltrate both 'green' and 'Green' groups in Australia by employing Trotskyite "entryist" tactics, but to no avail as far as the Greens go.

Of course, in deliberately exploiting the different uses of the word 'green' in an effort to dupe potential voters, Col is using the same Trotskyist tactics that the socialists use when they publish the 'Green Left Weekly', hoping to snare the gullible and ignorant by misrepresenting themselves.

Mind you, it's useful when Col Rouge tells such lies repetitively, because each time he does it presents an opportunity to correct things for those who have been subject to the disinformation campaign mounted by "lying manipulative trolls" like him.

@ monocular:

I see that you've bought the Greens as extreme zealot spin, which is of course untrue. Perhaps you'd like to nominate an example of zealous extremism in Greens policy or practice, bearing in mind the distinction between "green" and Green. If your mind hasn't been closed completely by anti-Green disinformation, I recommend you read the following article from last Saturday's SMH:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/its-not-extreme-to-be-green-20110716-1hito.html
Posted by morganzola, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 7:23:50 AM
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belly "I understand the greens are of great use to your conservative side of politics.
And that you see a better side of them than me, not For I am sure that reason."

As I've noted before I think we are fundamentally different in the way we think about the parties we tend to vote for, that makes a difference.

The coalition is for me a lesser of evils option, the conservative part has too much hold at the moment vs the part that values liberty.

I'm pretty certain that my views on the Greens are not notably influenced by how much use the Greens are to either of the big players. More I hope by what I hope is their contribution to the overall political system.

I do think that the Green's voice on issues which are widely supported in the community but strongly opposed by some groups (eg religious groups) gives a better chance of change than having the major's putting those issues in the too hard basket permanently.

The downside is that they may force a lurch to the Left for Labor to try and regain lost followers (in the same way One Nation appeared to force a lurch to the right with the Lib's). Neither extreme appeals to me in a major party.

As for the other thread I didn't see that discussion the way you did. I could be missing something but I've tried to understand your reaction and have not been able to find a reason for it.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 8:00:30 AM
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One world parliament!

How could you possibly think they were extreme?
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 8:16:49 AM
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