@Col Rouge:

So you can't find just one example of where the Greens have attempted to restrict or remove "the right of non-greens to pursue the religion of their choice"? Can't say I'm surprised, because such an act would completely contradict actual Greens policy and philosophy, about which you clearly know absolutely nothing. However, rather than doing the decent thing and retracting your silly claim, you bluster on about the Greens being Bolsheviks or some such rot.

If you ever both to acquaint yourself with actual Greens policy on religious tolerance, you'll find that they are much more amenable to freedom of religion than any other political party in Australia. Indeed, they have members and supporters from virtually every religion that is practised in Australia.

However, for some reason you'd rather confabulate and prattle on with hateful bunkum you make up yourself. Oh well, at least I can just put you on my 'ignore' list without feeling that I'm being rude. I did genuinely try to have a civil discussion with you on various threads, but it seems that you're incapable of having an honest and polite debate.

Ciao - give my love to Klaus xx

No need for me to get involved in the last two posts.
Both are generated by self interest, Col however understands I question his understanding, ability to think.
I do however want to highlight my view of impacts the greens are having in the Murdock Scandal.
First I wish for nothing less than FULL investigation of his Australian products, all of them.
Labor, in no way unlike Browns greens, is trying to put distance between them and greens.
I on this issue am for Brown, firmly.
IF EVER the whole truth about the riding instructions,the editorial policy's directions and demands is shown, heads will roll.
They will be like a semi trailer load of spilled pumpkins rolling down a steep hill.
My party,under attack from this Scandalous truth, is anchored to a party that most fear.
And bound by that anchor to drown, unless it has the guts to understand, generations of us have been victimized by this man, it is time lets have him.
My fellow posters ,consider, if we dare look at our behavior here we must never forget we make question time look like a Royal tea party.
Col drop the red under the bed insanity look only at the policy's and wanted directions, your arguments based on that are not ones that can be challenged.
Defense, Coal, every policy has spiders for our way of life.

Interesting that the biggest fan of a "party of tolerance" should be so intolerant of someone else's views that he has an "ignore" list.

Col, I must say that as a young man I was significantly taken with a leftish political viewpoint and I still believe that individuals in our nation who are for some reason unable to support themselves should have some expectation that the state will provide for them. However, as I grow older and possibly more heavily encrusted, not to mention more aware of the limited time we spend on this planet, I am leaning ever more strongly to the side of individual primacy as the principal informant of policy.

I am self-employed, I make no claims upon the state for anything other than the minimal provision of services such as roads and I don't go around committing crimes. I haven't made a Medicare claim in nearly 15 years and I haven't claimed any kind of benefit, special purpose rebate or anything else in over 12 years, not even Rudd's $900 Harvey Norman handout. As far as the state is concerned, I'm close to a model citizen, yet the same state takes money from me to give to people who earn more than me, who use state services at a prodigious rate and who claim that without this money they would be unable to live in a proper manor (no, it's not a typo).

So I have little confidence that a State under the control of a minority group who gain their major support from people who get nearly all of their income from the State (ie; mid-level public servants, mostly women) will be a state that will have any interest in the views of people like me, who actually support themselves. Instead, such a State will impose greater burdens on me, while spending even more on handouts designed to buy the votes of the feckless.

As embarrased as I am to say it, given some of my earlier utterances, Thatcher and even Howard are starting to look like they had the right idea.

@ Antiseptic:

Being tolerant doesn't mean that one has to cop persistent abuse from those one tolerates. Col Rouge has demonstrated that he's not interested in civil debate based on facts - rather, at least as far as my interactions with him are concerned, it seems that all he wants to do is insult me personally and tell lies. Nobody has to tolerate that.

Col (or anybody else) can play that sort of puerile and tiresome game as much as they like, but I've decided that I won't be part of it. I'll bend over backwards to explain politely my views and the basis for them, but if it becomes obvious that someone is just being obtuse or abusive for the sake of it, then I add them to a very short list of people whom I just ignore.

It seems to be quite an effective strategy. You ought to try it sometime.

Morganzola the practice of Greens is to appear as all things to all men until they acquire power and it goes to their head

I recall the Green controlled council in Victoria enforcing green laws against land owners who cut trees on their own land

The prosecuted and fined one land owner $50,000 for daring to cut a fire break around his own house

But when the black Saturday fires arrived whilst his neighbours burned that landowners house survived

Just as the left make philosophical swoons over Marx they also ignore the acts of Lenin and Stalin in their implementation of Marx…

The problem remains… the nature of authority in every “collectivist” system, regardless if you call it Marx or Green, will always produce the Lenins and Stalins who get to decided who would be fed and who would be starved to death
In the devolved power structure of Libertarian Capitalism no one, least of all such animals as Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot etc never get to make those types of decisions.

Ah Belly “Col however understands I question his understanding, ability to think.”

You see that is the difference between you and me Belly

Whilst you “question” my ability to think

There is no doubt regarding your INABILITY to think

You regularly hurl you low grade abuse my way…

It is a good job I support the freedom of expression which your side of politics is so hell bent on curbing.

Antiseptic… I guess you are starting to come around to something which dearest Margaret said

“……, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first.”

I recommend http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/thatcher.php

As a one source for your future readings :-)

Morganzola… there is a special corner with water proofed walls where you can go and dummy-spit all you want and then nanny comes along and wipes up the drool after you,

You serve it out, so get used taking it too
Its called “growing up"

Antiseptic you will be aware I remain ALP, and that I once considered Morgan a mate.
I once too handed out green HTV and felt they too to be my fellow travelers.
My friendships here left, blown away in a wind of anger at my thoughts and ideas that most Australians want an end to boat people.
That more than not, the prices they pay look to be for financial refuge no other.
I too, sorry but honestly, think a majority, harsh as it is, are concerned with Muslim separatism.
I doubt that my thoughts are truly not shared by MOST Australians.
My isolation came after expressing a truly held view.
Think many if not most would be glad to just vote one, as we can in my state elections.
I question the Senate, control by minority views.
As difficult as my ex Friends find it, as much as they wish to say these things result from my ill conceived thoughts fact is they are true and Mainstream.
In a post above I should have done better, this is what I should have said Labor now knows .
For every voter lost to the greens we find nearly two lost to conservatives, because of discust at the ideas greens drive us.
We are weaker on Murdock, childish but true, because we do not want to be linked to the greens.
Abbott talks DD election in truth Labor would if it gets its agenda in place do it too.
I have committed the crime of saying what I think, look for no forgiveness no hand holding.
I do however draw a line between the thoughts[ getting more lucid] of Col, raving and ranting, mud slinging is to fail.
Turning your back, being a big kid is to Morgan I wish your little tribe well but reality too.
Taking on the conservatives in General comments is no pain but the holly looking down their noses of the greens is, well no need to go there.