Posted by Ammonite, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 1:07:32 PM

Anger management, Ah soviet style re-education or wasn't that the killing fields of Cambodia.

pelican I get a lot sick of the anti-male comments which you seem oblivious to.

I'm sick of the constant silence when women try to infer that most (or all DV) and child abuse is committed by men then the howls of outrage that men are denigrating women when it's pointed out the numbers are similar.

I'm sick of pathetic players like Ammonite being all sarcastic and nasty when people don't dance to her tune but being all put out when challenged to be more even handed herself.

I'm utterly sick of the kind of double standards that continually try to infer the worst interpretations (or just make it up if it can't be interpreted) in what some of us are saying but can't see it when someone like Chaz makes an outright claim such as the one I highlighted earlier.

Yes pelican it is all very pathetic, I'm sick of the pretences some make to fairness while they continue to support the most unfair claims and suggestions.

I don't deny that some males in these forums seem to enjoy an antagonistic approach, why do you have such trouble spotting the same thing in Ammonite and others?

R0bert

Ammontite, one piece of advice that is given to men in such situations, is to walk away from the situation.

One of the most common statements, is that when they try to walk away from the situation, the situation follows them.

Yeah, come on all you dreadful female posters... just shut up and agree with all the male posters, and all will be well!

"Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition." ~Timothy Leary

Pelican:"Antiseptic please tell me the difference between the 'sisterhood' and mateship or the perennial boys club mentality in how they operate."

There is no "perennial boys club mentality". Men tend to be individualistic and will happily attack the views of anyone if they disagree. The way women think has been clearly demonstrated by you, Suze and Ammonite, not to mention happy and ChazP. As soon as any man makes a comment that is not fulsome in praise of women, the pack attacks, citing "sororal solidarity".

It's the difference between a manager and a committee. As always, committees are great at making the members feel important, but not much chop at getting anything worthwhile done.

All of the men posting here have made concrete suggestions for ways to improve the situation. Instead of discussing those suggestions, the "sisterhood" chooses to attack the messengers, because they're not "nice" to the sisters. Typical committee mindset.

Pelican:"Both boys and girls at this age are finding their feet and I agree that both should learn the value of keeping one's fists to themselves even if the intention of the boy or girl is playful banter."

But that's where it all falls down. Boys are subject to censure and punishment, while girls receive approbation from their cronies if they "act tough" to a boy. As for boys pinching girls' bums, if the girls don't like it, all they have to do is go to a teacher and complain: the boy will be disciplined by some affronted female teacher who resents the fact that she never got her bum pinched at school (or since) and one more "battle of the sexes" will have been won. Of course, the fact that this is natural, normal behaviour in which both sexes have participated since time immemorial is irrelevant: it's gender warfare, you know, take no prisoners...

They can even pretend they're doing it in the name of equality.

R0bert, I choose to post in the way I do as a counterpoint to the pack menatality of many of the female posters. I am articulate, so they get upset, perhaps more than they would with Vanna or with some of the less-articulate posters, who nonetheless offer a similar view: that feminism as a social paradigm is destructive, self-serving and ultimately propped up by the fact that we live in especially fat times. We can afford, as a society, to cut some slack to those who wnat to experiment with different ways of doing things because we have huge surpluses of resources. As I ponted out in another thread, at present our income tax collections are less than handouts to individuals by around $10 billion per annum. Most of those handouts are to women, in one form or another, while an enormous amount of extra Government money is thrown at the female-dominated social sector with very little control over either spending or outcomes.

This fat time will end and where will we be? Who will pay women who choose not to work to stay home? who will pay for the hundreds of thousands of social workers who do very little except shuffle paper back and forth to "prove" they're "working".

The test of any political ideology is whether it will work in good times and bad. Feminism is purely an ideology for the good times. Presumably feminists assume that when the bad times come they'll be in charge and so can make men take the hits. Yeah, right...

Ammonite: "look at me, I'm a grrrl too"

Yes Sister, we already heard that. Do you have anything constructive to add? Thought not.

Suze, timothy Leary more famously said "tune in, turn on and drop out". sounds like the recipe for single-motherhood to me, although he was talking about another form of altered consciousness.