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Posted by Ammonite, Monday, 11 July 2011 9:29:55 AM

That is not correct, to my knowledge the people who present the arguement about female violence are only trying to get it recognised and are pointing out how unilateral DV can be.

<here has been mention made of provocation - being yelled at, having objects thrown, even slamming doors. If we have children behaving like this do we respond by punching them to the floor? Beating up on someone smaller and weaker because their behaviour is annoying is NO EXCUSE FOR VIOLENCE - never has been. It is certainly not the behaviour of a reasonable adult, it is in its simplest form:

Posted by Ammonite, Monday, 11 July 2011 9:29:55 AM>

There are cases where the person who is bigger and stronger, are subjected to violence from the smaller weaker person.

The vast majority of males (I know a generalisation) have been raised not to ever hit females.

I have seen men who other men are afraid of, turn into jelly with their other half.

James I'm wondering how many times we need to repeat that and yet the same old lies get aimed at us. Meanwhile we have the obvious cherry picking of stat's from the women's lobby (especially the maternal bias crowd) to try and make out child abuse and DV are things that are almost always done my men and other women who claim to not like denigration based on gender pretending they can't see it.

I'm sick of it.

R0bert

Antiseptic please tell me the difference between the 'sisterhood' and mateship or the perennial boys club mentality in how they operate.

By reducing our arguments to merely 'support for the sisterhood' really means you are not listening to the arguments. Do you perceive the comments by men on this forum as relevant only in context of the feelings of being part of the 'brotherhood'. Aftherall it is easy to dismiss another's view if you just reduce it to the sisterhood. It is a bias that might influence your view of gender experiences methinks.

As for high schools and schools in general I remember one primary school I went to it was common for boys to try and grab a girls boobs, or pull their ponytails, or trip them up on the basketball court. I would not put this down as DV but certainly this is the age where lessons about violence can be taught. Both boys and girls at this age are finding their feet and I agree that both should learn the value of keeping one's fists to themselves even if the intention of the boy or girl is playful banter.

These debates lose ground for me when 'woman' is equated with 'femi-nazi' whenever a man disagrees with her point, while men apparently are free to spread their venom without similar censure. Can't see what purpose this serves other than keeping the gender debate in the gutter - but perhaps that is the intention for some of the more radical masculinists (I should qualify that I would not put most of the male posters in this category).

RObert

I get a bit sick of the anti-female comments which you seem to think are non-existent. It is disingenuous to attribute any failure in communication as the sole responsibility of female posters.

Why would one 'pretend' not to see something. I dispute your implication that female posters are shallow and lacking in moral integrity. That is exactly the generalisations that really make me sick as with the continual 'femi-nazi' labels attributed to women when they dispute a point.

Sometimes people just disagree, that does not mean 'pretending' not to see what it is that you think you can see, and for some reason automatically assume your perception has to be the right one. I do not believe women are more violent than men but you disagreeing with does not mean I label you as a masculin-nazi. You have not had the same experiences as I and vice versa, why would we necessarily think the same.

You can doubt the sincerity of the female posters, that is your right. I see a strong interest in a non-gender bias but a NGB does not mean evidence should be ignored for some greater masculinist cause. Truth should come first not some feminist or masculinist bias. Treat each case as an individual one, taking the evidence on board that is relevant to that case without bringing in a pre-conceived notion of events.

Difficult, just ask any police officer who has to deal with DV cases and the risks they place themselves in to attend such calls. A family member was a police officer for many years and said the most dangerous call out was always to a DV situation where emotions were heated and not much in the way of rational thinking by either party. Often the strategy was to remove one of the pair to let them cool down. Many times the woman would not charge the husband even if she was severely injured. These are the issues that police deal with every day, while we sit here as armchair experts trying to make sense of it all.

1. What Pelican said.

2. Disagreeing is not attacking.

3. Beating up people or children because they provoked is not acceptable.

4. Proving one sex is somehow 'worse' than the other is not only counterproductive but pointless.

Robert, Jamesh, Antiseptic et al, you only care about your perspective and no-one else's; not other men, women and least of all the children you claim to be concerned about - to which I direct you to point 3 above.

You need help:

http://www.angermanagementaustralia.com.au/

Suzanonline,

I have never seen a woman with a black eye.

If the alledged 1 in 3 female abuse victims ever did sustain an injury, then I very much doubt that the majority ever had more than a minor injury, or no physical injury at all.

I have often seen daughters fighting and bickering between themselves, and fights and bickering between mothers and their daughter is very common.

Complaints from men that their wives constantly nag them also seem to be universal, and this is domestic violence.

Because of the above, and for many other reasons, I do not believe the feminist propaganda that domestic violence is only carried out by the male gender.

I have also noticed that so many feminists support homosexual marriage, but never have a good word to say about heterosexual marriage.