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Gender equality in Australia – what are the issues? : Comments

By Rose Espinola, published 1/7/2011

It is in our best interests to ensure that we continually make progress towards gender equality.

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Don't hold your breath waiting for changes anytime soon my dear. As they say in the classics, "Twas ever thus".

Instead of trying to be like men, get used to the fact that you are never going to grow balls and men are never going to bear children.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Friday, 1 July 2011 9:32:50 AM
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Rhonda Byrne the author of the 'Secret' wrote;

"A person’s thoughts (whether conscious or unconscious) and feelings bring about corresponding positive or negative manifestations. Positive thoughts bring about positive manifestations while negative thoughts bring about negative manifestations."

Such, as it is with what is deemed to be signs of inequality.

There is a subtle brainwashing technique to convince people about inequality, but notice by the mere abscence and invisibility. The examination of how the male gender is affected, is not to be mentioned or even ALLOWED to be examined.

There is a huge double standard when it comes to this.

Myrna Blythe in 'Spin Sisters' wrote about how the women of the media sell unhappiness to women.

Rather than being taking a humanistic approach, feminism is all about themselves.

Interestingly there was a survey that showed working fathers spent a year travelling. Over 90% of workplace deaths are males. So in reality work is not a safe place for men to be.
Posted by JamesH, Friday, 1 July 2011 8:31:51 PM
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It is concerning to find that, Australia ranks 23rd in the World Gender Gap report of 134 countries. Australia is listed three places down since the last report and six places down from the 2007 rank.

Does this account for the recent migrant population growth from countries that have lower standards of women's rights or equality, possibly, if you removed this you might find that women are much better off.

More foreign owned business's with lower standards for women' rights!.
Posted by MickC, Friday, 1 July 2011 9:01:24 PM
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Neil Lyndon who got cruxified more than a few years ago, now has stepped up and written,

'Feminism? Forget it, sisters'

<A study published this week by Dr Catherine Hakim of the London School of Economics has found that men do slightly more work than the women they live with when employment and domestic work are measured together.>

<All my adult life, I wanted to create a family life of equal partnership with a woman and, after many failures, finally achieved it in my 50s, with the mother of our two little daughters, now seven and four.>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/relationships/7929014/Feminism-Forget-it-sisters.html

Go Neil.
Posted by JamesH, Friday, 1 July 2011 9:55:13 PM
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Inequality Number 3 – Women are under-represented in Australian Government:

Yes there is certainly an over representation of lawyers in politics, not many tradies, or manufacturing workers, or brickies labourers either. The occasional teacher, not many nurses, a few doctors. Not one dentist (that I know of).

So women are not the only group that are under-represented in australian government.
Posted by JamesH, Friday, 1 July 2011 10:15:38 PM
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Yes I'm all for equality, so lets have,

1/ Equal intake of male & female students in all universities, every year. This will probably require more practical stuff, & less fairy floss stuff.

2/ Equal numbers of male & female primary school teachers, to give a more balanced approach to our kids.

3/ Equal numbers of staff in the ABC. This is critical to try to get some sense back into that organisation.

That will do for starters.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 2 July 2011 9:43:01 AM
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you are never going to grow balls and men are never going to bear children.
David,
Good tax payer's money is being spent on finding ways of changing that.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 2 July 2011 10:18:37 AM
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What do we mean by equality? Equality doesn't mean 50/50. There may be natural proclivities in men and women that are not all-encompassing but may seen more men go into engineering and more women into teaching.

The author talks about a higher proportion of women in part-time work but not analysed the why behind that statistic. More women choose part-time work so they can still participate more in the raising of children.

Men might equally argue they are disadvantaged in access to family 'work' because it is traditional for men to be the primary income earner.

It all depends on your POV and what you see as a burden or a disadvantage. My opinion is that I don't see spending more time with children as an inequality but a privilege. More and more families can no longer afford to forgo a second income (even a small one) while housing prices continue to rise and the level of personal debt has grown out of proportion to income (as compared to 20 years ago).

It is not equality but freedom for all people to be able to make choices. The only limits on choice appear to be economic ones mainly influenced by the system or individuals - not gender.

It is true that women are more sexualised but I don't believe this equates with men thinking of women only in sexual terms. Men have become more sexualised over the years given the growth of the beauty and cosmetic surgery industries. I wonder how long it will be before the natural face and body will no longer be perceived as enough. What impact will these sorts of pressures have in the long term.

There still seems to be a large group of sensible people around who choose not to go for botox, the brazillian (what is wrong with hair?) or the face lift etc, and who are comfortable in their own skin. Some of the most extreme examples of plastic surgery are quite hideous and distorted and the excess of collagen in some lips looks positively unnatural.
Posted by pelican, Saturday, 2 July 2011 1:53:13 PM
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Women are less represented in political life in Australia but how many have sought political posts and been denied or is it just less women compete for these posts, choosing instead different priorities?

I agree with the author that there should be equality in accessing opportunities to participate in all spheres of life. However the one sphere constantly ignored is the home-maker or stay-at-home mother or father. It is as though these roles have become redundant or less worthy in today's push for economic growth no matter the long term social consequences.

I reckon we need a more egalitarian approach - including men and women in the debate around choices and access and what are the issues that are being avoided. I remember one commentator on Q&A once said "who would want to stay at home with kids anyway" or words to that effect, as though she had assumed every women must think the same way. When we start making policy on that premise, freedom of choice goes down a slippery slope.
Posted by pelican, Saturday, 2 July 2011 2:01:27 PM
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Equality doesn't mean 50/50.
Pelican,
very valid point. Two 56 kilo leftie females don't necessarily make as much sense as one 112 kilo male Greenie & vice versa.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 2 July 2011 6:05:48 PM
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pelican beautifuuly put.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Saturday, 2 July 2011 6:58:53 PM
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assumed every women must think the same way.
pelican,
I believe most women do, it's only the females who are different for the sake of being different just like men & males.
I actually worked with such females & I can tell you they would be much better placed on another planet along with many of their male counterparts.
I noticed that the females were the control freaks however incompetent & they were always at odds with the women & men.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 3 July 2011 9:06:00 AM
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What a Useless word "Equality" is when we are individuals each with unique DNA.

I think there must be a chromozone (or other biological gizmo) deficiency in some folk, which causes them to fixate on "Equality"

"Equality" is not only an "impossible dream", it is also a "Pointless Dream"

Be it

Gender Equality, Racial Equality or

Individual Equality - which is what it ultimately comes down to

Affirmative Action has been a failure across the USA

Margaret Thatcher rightly said

"When all the objectives of government include the achievement of equality - other than equality before the law - that government poses a threat to liberty."

and Margaret Thatcher is one Lady who is also on record for observing:

She owed nothing to Womens Lib

So we live, thirty years after the UK elected its first Female Prime Minister, longest serving UK Prime Minister in 150 years and we live with a female prime minister here in Australia (but hopefully not for long)

If a lady can achieve the highest of public office...

then whining about "Gender Equality" simply becomes all too silly for words.
Posted by Col Rouge, Sunday, 3 July 2011 11:28:01 AM
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Most men would agree with your' sentiments Col Rouge, because most men have nothing to whine about where equality is concerned.

Your comment on gender equality in politics, as represented by Margaret Thatcher and Julia Gillard, cannot go unchallenged though.

Democracy means equal influence (inclusive of the poor, rich, majority groups, minority groups, male, and female), yet most western democratic countries seem to continually vote in an all-male, all-white body of parliamentarians.

Doesn't sound very equal or democratic to me...
Posted by suzeonline, Monday, 4 July 2011 9:52:13 PM
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most western democratic countries seem to continually vote in an all-male, all-white body of parliamentarians.
suzeonline,
surely many voters are feamle so why do they not vote for more females ? Is female intuition such that they know what's better for them ? You just have to look at Australia for the clearest example yet of what female dominated politics achieve. Just think back a little, Carmen Lawrence, Joan (in VIC), Cheryl Kernot, Bob Brown, Anna Bligh, Julia Gillard etc. Isn't that experience scary enough for you ? What more mismanagement do you need to happen before starting to think more sober ? May I suggest you consult the families in the beef industry & ask their opinion ? Or go back to WA under Lawrence & ask those pensioners who lost all of their Super ? But all fairness & due respect to the many sober thinking women who didn't vote for them.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 7:24:53 AM
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individual
You appear to be making as many generalisations and assumptions around gender as those whom you criticise. But maybe I have misunderstood your last two posts.

Bottom line is people are individuals first and what happens to us is usually of our own making (barring the unforseen or unfortunate circumstances).

Why also need to take into consideration the needs of children when asking 'what are the issues?' Any parent will tell you their children are inviduals from birth and totally unique human beings. What works for some children won't for others, and we lose our humanity when policies are based around a one-size-fits-all mindset.
Posted by pelican, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 4:56:53 PM
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children are inviduals from birth,
pelican,
I agree but how can we get that fact across to those parents who lock their children into a religion before thy understand the concept of religion ?

we lose our humanity when policies are based around a one-size-fits-all mindset.

again pelican, this is where the notion of individual rights comes into play. We can't have individual rules for everyone but we can have rules for everyone to observe.
Just like the under-mentioned-much avoided rule of responsibility.
A well functioning society places the emphasis on society with respect for the individual & the other way round.
We don't presently have this mentality.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 7:09:43 PM
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