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By Ian Robinson, published 1/7/2011It seems to me that the endemic misogyny of Australian male culture has not been banished but has simply gone underground.
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Posted by Ammonite, Sunday, 3 July 2011 11:51:40 AM
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Here is another take on Greer
“But to meet her is to encounter a grouchy old woman wedded to a bitter philosophy about men, women, love and life.” http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/janetalbrechtsen/ Funny how Greer got a number of men to renovate her property near Brisbane when she bought it, after having NOTHING GOOD to say about men for most of her academic career. I did try to listen to Greer in a video about her new book, but unfortunately I couldn’t make it past the first few minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WPOCGcFgRU If she was not whining about something, she was moaning about something, and if she wasn't moaning about something, she was whinging about something, and if she wasn't whinging about something, she was whining about something. Some with extreme will power have analysed her works and speeches, have found that she has contradicted everything she has ever said at least once, and I have heard her describe herself as being everything from an anarchist to a realist to a humanist to a Marxist. Nothing can be believed from her except she has legitimised whinging, and legitimised denegration and hatred of the male gender. Posted by vanna, Sunday, 3 July 2011 2:12:46 PM
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Morgan, there are plenty of pragmatic and intelligent people in the
sex industry, who do very well out of it and who don't need your patronising. As with any industry which pays handsomely, some people get involved for the wrong reasons, even if they have no aptitude for it. But that is the same for mining and a number of other industries. Perhaps you should just let adults decide for themselves, for what they have or do not have an aptitude to do for a living. Sex therapists such as Bettina Arnt and others, have published enough about the real situation within Australian relationships to show that women misusing their sexual power, is in fact a major issue for many couples. Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 3 July 2011 2:16:26 PM
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There is a common thread running through the article, and many of the responses here. It is "it's someone else's fault that I can't do X".
Ian Robertson argues todays women are still "in a plight", although no concrete example of what that plight is or how males put them in it is given. Ammonite at least does that. She says "We women, need our men to stand by us". I presume we stand accused of ignoring your plight. So apparently you aren't capable going of forging your own destiny without our help. Poirot tells us that "Man's civilisation in the modern Western paradigm exalts the pursuance of material wealth". I agree with others the enthusiastic pursuance Poirot decry's was never restricted to one gender, but Poirot disagrees, claiming men seduced the women into it. Those very same men Squeers says are "emasculated drones with egos as sound as the pyramids". And then claims nonetheless women meekly follow we men. Really? Well apparently so, because Squeers then says in the next breath "men still play the tune. And women, sadly, still dance." Well if that's true you women are idiots, beyond help. I don't believe a word of it. You women now have the same access to education, jobs as men, and greater access to social safety net if you have children. While unmarried you have the same disposable income, and when married you negotiate access to money as equals. If later decide you don't like the terms, you can walk away and the state will either force the man to pay for the children, or pay for them itself. Granted, it wasn't always like this. But when circumstances changed you to negotiated it in one generation. Yet you are meek, downtrodden girls are following choices made by men. Seriously, you expect someone to believe this narrative? We live in one of the most affluent, freest societies on the planet. You women are free to choose any lifestyle you want and still be well fed and housed. If you are making poor choices, don't blame someone else, make different choices. Posted by rstuart, Sunday, 3 July 2011 2:18:59 PM
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vanna,
"If she was not whinging about something, she was moaning about something, and if she wasn't moaning about something, she was whinging about something, and if she wasn't whinging about something, she was whining about something." Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Have you ever read your own posts? - which are the most appallingly negative whingy/whiny/moany anti-woman, boring load of navel-gazing vacuous fluff. That you have the temerity to accuse Greer of being a whinger is hilarious....at least she exercises her "superior" intellect in a purposeful manner. Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 3 July 2011 2:41:20 PM
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Poirot
My main interest is in the education of the young, and in the myths and misinformation made about the male gender, and how that affects the perceptions that young people have about the male gender. It may be of interest to you, that very little research has actually been carried out on the male gender, and almost everything said by academics about the male gender is not based on science, but based on conjecture, myths and misinformation. You will maybe find some creditable information about the male gender here. http://melbourneinstitute.com/hilda/ However, very few academics seem to refer to what is the biggest social science survey ever undertaken in Australia. Instead, they will so often quote Germain Greer, the feminist queen of nothing of any creditability. Posted by vanna, Sunday, 3 July 2011 2:56:56 PM
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Most women enjoy sex, not treat it as something to barter. I have restrained myself from writing thhe following, but can no longer do so.
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What kind of relationships are you having where the women in your lives are not eager to have sex with you, expect either money or presents and apparently don't really like you all that much?
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As for men in positions of power behaving like "managers" WTF is that about?
Bill Clinton didn't have sex "with that woman" and Anthony Weiner didn't tweet his weiner?