Dan S

Sheeeeeesh!

We have been over evolution and your creationism beliefs before - this is not what the topic is about.

I urge you to read JoM's history - he is NOT about objecting to a few words in a song, he truly believes that the "white race" is in peril and that people, like myself who simply believe in live and let live are committing some form of genocide.

I love people in all their variety - from Inuits to Masai. It was just a nice song about treating each other with respect, it is NOT serious about "turning out coffee coloured people by the score" although this would mean pro-white racial purists would have nothing to whinge about.

That's all.

You believe a big god in the sky created everything. I don't.

Whatever, we are all living beings and have every right to be here.

LIVE AND LET LIVE.

Ammonite ,
I agreed with you that Jay’s comments on genocide were over the top.

Yes, we’ve discussed evolution and creation before. However, here is wasn’t me who raised the subject. Saltpetre, Lexi, and yourself have all raised it on this thread. Why am I the only one who is not allowed to comment on it?

If you think that the promotion Darwin’s writings had nothing to do with raising racist attitudes historically, then I’d be happy to provide you with examples.

Jay Of Melbourne,

".. reducing the numbers of my Race in Australia is Genocide."

I'm sorry Jay, but your postulation is fatally flawed. By your implied definition, Genocide has been happening in Oz and around the world for a very long time, with "whites" just as guilty as any other race. The human race is simply continuing on the evolutionary path commenced in Africa over a million years ago - but now converging, rather than diverging.

The fact is, we are all the same under the skin, and differences in skeletal structure, facial features, musculature and DNA are relatively superficial. The principal differences in people are learned beliefs, attitudes, cultural and societal norms. As these are "learned", they can be altered, with appropriate education and opportunity - it is only necessary for people to be willing to re-evaluate, to consider alternatives, to change. A wall street banker is much the same as any other wall street banker, whether of Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Oz or American extraction. My thinking is that you, Jay, are focusing on the image, rather than the man.

The world is at a crisis point of rapid change, with far greater priorities than inter-racial consolidation. We in Oz can not be immune from the adaptation which must take place, and can either embrace it or be overrun by it.

"As we coast toward the start line for WW3,.. and the total subjugation of the Middle East begins.."

Subjugation is on the way out. I am on the side of balance, equity and the resolution of all causes of conflict - including the reigning-in of western elitism and runaway capitalism.

".. the world is not static, the rest of us are leaving the age of egalitarianism and moving on to ethnocentrism."

Yours must be a very small and lonely group, for several billion of humanity would be looking for a much better deal.

Dear Dan

Because all humans evolved from the same ancestors, which is why we are the same under the skin (and can breed with each other).

Not expecting you to understand this. Just go pray or light a candle or something.

Dear Ammonite,
A few minutes ago you said that ideas of origins, creation and evolution, were not what this topic is about. But now you see it differently. You see the relevance of the topic and want to argue for the evolution position.

In fact, you are quite wrong. You say that because all humans evolved from the same ancestors is why we are the same under the skin. But by the definition of evolution, we all evolved from the same ancestors: apes; prior to that, the first vertebrates; prior to that, the first multi-cellular organisms; prior to that, the first single cell organism.

All of these are quite different under the skin. In evolution theory, we are all one continuum. We are essentially related distantly by common descent to carrots and cauliflower. (Do you eat either of these? I know that carrots share quite a percentage of DNA with humans. Yet I am zero percent cannibal when I eat them.)

By the theory of creation (as described in Genesis), life was created in distinct kinds, and ordered to reproduce after their own kind. So the various kinds are distinct, but mankind has always been one. All humans are quite closely related.

All living beings are related by virtue of having originated by the design of a single creator. But all humans have the distinctiveness and extraordinary value of being created in the image of that creator.

You talk about us [people] being the same under the skin. That’s true. We are very closely related; I to you, you to me, both of us to Jay. The reason we are so closely related is that the common ancestors of all mankind stepped off a boat together only a few thousand years ago.

"The reason we are so closely related is that the common ancestors of all mankind stepped off a boat together only a few thousand years ago."

That would make us all relatively recent boat people, wouldn't it?

Nice story, pity it's just a myth :)