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Confronting Australian attitudes to refugees. : Comments

By Jo Coghlan, published 22/6/2011

The SBS social experiment: Go back to where you came from?

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JoM

>> You're getting all catty because you've been caught promoting genocide and I've called you out on it. <<

I have not on this forum or anywhere called for genocide - you are behaving hysterically and with great vitriol.

Everyone, if you trace their family ancestry back far enough has mixed 'race' - whatever that means.

You lower the tone of this website and I will always speak out against people who foment hatred for anyone.
Posted by Ammonite, Monday, 27 June 2011 4:51:34 PM
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Jay Of Melbourne,

I'll take your challenge.
Optimal Mix for Oz: 25% so-called "white"; 25% ethnic "other"; 50% glorious "harlequin-ade" liquorice-all-sorts. As to how to achieve this splendid ratio - start where we are now, add a sprinkling of a broad range of genetically enhancing new blood, and let nature take its course. Note: Throw 2 pennies in the air, and you will get 25% two heads, 25% two tails, and 50% one head and one tail - simple probability.

As for your all-white proposition: Where are we going to find even one? Given that we all started out black Africans in the first place, (and I'm thinking you're not a Creationist, are you?) and all sorts of mixing has been going on ever since.

As for Hitler: The guy was a self-denying absolute fruit-loop of the worst possible kind. Anything he had to say, ever, I would say the opposite would have to be closer to the truth. So let's leave that particular black dog lay, shall we.

Colour has nothing whatever to do with character, morality, intellect, education, aptitudes, ideals, aspirations or potential - it is merely a matter of varying density of skin pigment cells. We are all Homo Sapiens, like it or not, and the sooner we are all a nice homogeneous light tan to mid brown, with black and yellow alternating stripes, the better things will be.

Integration is the go, not assimilation - for we in Oz have so much to learn, being the young (embryonic) country that we are, and our beginnings were not exactly all that promising, and since then our cultural development is not quite in the same ball-park as that of China, or Islam, or that of the Greek or Roman Empires. "White" history has not really been something to be enormously proud of, in the end result.
Posted by Saltpetre, Monday, 27 June 2011 7:44:15 PM
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Ammonite.
Lower the tone? How much lower can it go? We've got Saltpetre openly calling for genocide, others insisting that White people are all a bunch of "mixed race mongrels".
Fine, you don't personally want a genocide of White people in Australia but you support the right of people to promote ideas such a "greater diversity", which as I've demonstrated is really a coded way of saying "less White people".
As the passage from Mein Kampf illustrates, you and probably most of the others on the "pro" side of the debate over White genocide are just dilettantes.
But as we know that kind of attitude doesn't fly when an accusation of genocide is made, one way or another the law will deal with perpetrators and their supporters.
None of the senior Nazis were convicted of Genocide, they got them on other counts, similarly the senior figures from the Balkan wars who've fronted tribunals of late have been indicted on various charges.
If memory serves, Milosevic faced charges of complicity in the deaths of 340 Kosovo Albanians and sundry other "technical" charges and couldn't secure any convictions for attempted Genocide over the Srebrenica murders or the so called Ethnic cleansing of Bosniaks.

What astounds me is that these dilettantes will come out in favour of the Convention On Refugees and insist that it be followed to the letter but then go all quiet when the convention on Genocide is quoted.
Again, Adolf Hitler and the Nazis decided they'd respect some laws and not others and a whole lot of fence sitters and dilettantes in the Reichstag just meekly bowed their heads and let them have their way.

Deliberately altering the makeup of a population, by any means can be considered Genocide under international law and that charge could be satisfactorily proven in the case of Australia.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 12:46:30 PM
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There's error in my above post, the court did not proceed with charges of Genocide against Serb leaders because several less senior, but more culpable defendants (in the physical sense) had been acquitted of such charges, or rather the charges could not be upheld in the end.
Anyone who's interested can go to the ICC website or for information on the Nuremberg trials, the Lillian Goldman Law Library at Yale university.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 12:54:38 PM
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Saltpetre,
Everybody knows who I mean when I say White people, It's not an issue that is ever going to come up outside internet discussions or Lefty dinner parties.
Hitler wasn't a nutcase, he and his associates knew exactly what they wanted and how to achieve their aims,given that he was literally the glue that held the Reich together if he was mad he couldn't have made that whole machine work.

Here's something I composed for an e-mail to some colleagues, tell me what you think:

"Australia is projected to reach a population of 30 million by 2030,
you're proud of our "diversity" because it brings "Equality" to the
nation, a White Australia in your view being fundamentally unequal.
So when in your opinion is a society both diverse and equal, presumably when all of these diverse groups are in equal proportions in the population.
Given that your great source of pride is the fact that this country now contains components of over 200 ethnic groups and your goal is equality in diversity what methods would you like to see used to create this harmony?
30 million divided by 200 puts a cap on each ethnic group of 150,000
people, there are an estimated 18 million White Australians at present, given that our birthrate is once again nudging replacement level what policies would you vote for in order to eliminate the millions of extra White people?
Not funny is it, when you look at it like that.
What you're promoting is the greatest planned GeNOcide in the history of the world."
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 1:12:15 PM
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Jay Of Melbourne,

Firstly, how many of your 18 million "white" Australians are comprised of various numbers of the 200 ethnic groups you refer to? Are you trying to imply that "White Australian" is a new and separate ethnic group? If so, your self-delusion is complete.

If a pig thinks it's a chook, fine, but trying to convince me or anyone else in their right mind that the pig is in fact not a chook but a duck, is, I'm afraid, a lost cause. Similarly, your attempting to paint Hitler and his Nazis as some sort of philanthropists principally concerned with the welfare of the German people and the world, and not simply totally insane xenophobic elitists and power mongers, is also doomed to failure. When a pig is a pig, it will always be a pig to all but the deluded, psychotic or just plain insane.

You really are caught up in this genocide idea, aren't you. If the likes of Milosevic and co, or Pol Pot's generals, or those responsible for the Srebrenica massacre, could not be found guilty of genocide, then your puffing and blowing here is just so much massive hot air, and you need to realise that. Allowing natural assimilation and integration to take place in Oz is just being anti-apartheid and anti-segregationist (as well as anti-racist), and is good mannered courtesy.

I hope your constant worrying about a disappearing white Oz doesn't keep you awake at night, because it's like I've said before, this pig is not a duck - white Oz is just another multi-ethnic portion of this nation's dynamic populace.

Anti-anti-racist is just code for "elitist bigot".
Posted by Saltpetre, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 3:33:43 PM
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