OK, doom is coming .. and you have written an ebook on it .. yep, sales pitch that it is in the domain of other books by famous catastrophists.

so what are we to gain from reading it?

Your piece makes lots of assumption, raise temp 1 degree C and rice crops fall by whatever % it was, with no reference to whether increasing CO2 might abrogate that.

Perhaps the world will reach a balance for things that grow from rising temps and CO2. Of course everything is taken as the worst possible case, to be amongst serious alarmists, to be up there with the big guys.

Whether the CO2 is rising or not, is incidental to changing climate is it not? Perhaps increasing CO2 is bad, it might be good, who knows, it certainly does not appear to be driving temperature the way most alarmists would prefer it .. CO2 continues to climb and temperature is not .. what's going on?

Have we reached stability? Is the raise of temperature over the last 150 years, of 1 degree C, stability itself?

Does stability exist, or is that the problem here, that skeptics accept the climate changes and we cannot affect it, and that alarmists cannot accept it and want to stop the change?

Surely the climate changes whether we have an effect or not, it changed before humans even existed.

So given the horror of rising population and immigration, what should be done?

Why should this shape public policy? You don't exactly say.

Are people now using the environmental hysterics to their own ends to justify a drop in immigration? Is this thinly veiled populism?

Or do I have to buy the book to find out?

" There is now a considerable body of research voicing concern about water stress and coming ‘water wars’ (‘peak water’); the possibility of ALL of the world’s top soil VANISHING in as little as 60 years (‘peak soil’)"

Is this similar Research that told us that all the Worlds' Glaciers would be melted by last Wednesday and that that Mount Everest will lose its Ice by Friday Week ?

Fiona
you cite a lot of sources, but you don't realise that it would have been possible to make the same arguements, and cite authoritative sources to support it, for at least 80 years. There are references to strong concern over over-population in literature of the 1930s.

I can recall warnings in the 70s that everything would collapse in 20-30 years. In particular, it was said, oil could not possible last more than another two decades or so. Those warnings were all been given on the best authority. However, if you scratched around at the time, you would also have uncovered another lot of voices pointing out that the authorative voices who got the publicity were talking a load of nonsense.

Score to date - doomsayers 0; catastrophe sceptics 100.

Perhaps you can tell us why you think your particular warning should receive any more attention than all the other past warnings?

Sobering article Fiona; we need more of this analysis and more lateral thinking as to how we can live sustainably.

There's two reason that 'catastphists' are not merely over anxious or scaremongers Curm. Population and consumption curves are and have been exponential or at least ever-increasing for the past century or so. Blind Freddy can see this cannot go on for ever. Either humans work together to change our behaviour i.e. make a few sacrifices make some inconvenient changes to our habits, or there will be increasing catasprophes that will force change.

So rather than denying it how about some constructive discussion of solutions?

On recent threads we have tried to predict where the alarmists go next. Our call was "overpopulation".

Fiona, can you just hang on a few weeks until the last alarmist phenomena collapses? We are still a bit busy with the last one from the warmertariat.

We'll get back to you when we've mopped up the current mess, Thanks.

Spindoc, how long do you intend to live, do you think you will be still around when this mess is fixed?

The more people, the more items for disaster will be presented, it will just continue without abate or proper debate.

We will never have an answer cause the issues just keep altering to suit whatever they need to keep themselves all feeling like they are doing good without any actual doing on their part.