bonmot/popnperish - you guy are complaining about us being cynical and repeating the same old stuff.. Bbwwwhhahahah! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. If there is some repetition its because Andrew's stuff has all been said before, and refuted before. The "vast scientific literature" supposedly backing his article does not exist. There is plenty of evidence the present climate temperatures are warm, but evidence linking any of that warmth to industrial emissions is slight at best.

Bonmot “Thing is, most OLO posters are not sceptics - they are cynics.”

That is a cynical conclusion from someone who has been quick to "flame", instead of pursuing the course of civilised debate

Popnperish “Just the same old nastiness that contributes nothing to the debate.”

How nasty of you to comment, pooper

I find there is nothing quite like an intolerant, closed minded zealot to bring out the worst to a debate which is not worth having.

Personally, I agree with curmudgeon….

And I have just heard some nong on the radio spouting on about emissions trading… what a load of artificial cobblers

Inventing a non-existent market to make money from artificially trading in “hot air”

I do recall a year ago being invited to attend the some three-ring circus organized by the Brumby-crony government of incompetence to promote Melbourne as the ETS market center of Australia….

Of course, the parasites of the bureaucracy were there in hords… all supping coffee and munching cakes…. On my taxes…..

It was a complete waste… like the climate commission….. parasites frittering away money like no tomorrow, regardless of the effort real people had to go to work to pay the taxes for all this socialist profligacy.

Hooray for popnperish - he/she summed the situation up perfectly.

Meanwhile there was an essay published today by Elizabeth Farrelly titled Cane Toads Thrive of the Air on Stupidity.

An essay which describes how the right wing shock-jocks work.

Needless to say she will probably get lots of hate mail responses to her essay. And be lambasted on right wing blogs, and elsewhere too.

How far out of date do you want to go bonmot?

That's 14 months, & is based on studies done by many of the usual suspects, well before that. I'm surprised it didn't have a hokey stick in the margin.

Best get up to date mate, before the frost bite gets you

bonmot, slightly off topic, but recently you called my attention to the "death threats" aimed at climate scientists at ANU, now it turns out it's a mini-climate gate.

They are old, were not all aimed at climate scientists. indeed some were at Clive Hamilton.

Also, none of them actually threatened to kill anyone .. say "I hope you die" is not a death threat.

As usual, hysterical alarmists, wanting attention .. I suspected as much when they said they had not reported it to the AFP, I mentioned that to you too didn't I. I do understand though, it's much more fun to run around hysterically see conspiracies everywhere.

So how do you feel about repeating those claims and blaming skeptics?

You probably feel like a complete goose, so I won't pursue it.

Is this up to date enough?

http://tinyurl.com/Is-This-Up-To-Date-Enough

The data is gathered from these usual suspects - including the US submarine fleet:

Submarine ULS data: Over 120,000 km of tracks of ice draft have been processed for the Arctic Ocean since 1975 from both US and UK submarines.

North Pole Environmental Observatory (NPEO): An oceanographic mooring has been continuously deployed at the North Pole in more than 4000 m of water since the spring of 2001.

Institute of Ocean Sciences (IOS): IOS has deployed a series of ULS instruments in and around the Mackenzie Delta, in Nares Strait and in the eastern Beaufort Sea under the direction of Dr. Melling. Also, NOAA supported IOS in the deployment of a ULS-equipped mooring on the Chukchi Shelf in 2004—2005.

Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute (WHOI): The Beaufort Gyre Exploration Project, under the leadership of Dr. Proshutinsky, has deployed 3 to 4 moored ULS instruments in the deep water of the Beaufort Sea since 2003.

Alfred Wegener Instititute (AWI): AWI has deployed moored ULS instruments in both the Arctic, primarily in Fram Strait, and in the Antarctic, primarily in or near the Weddell Sea (starting in 1990).

University of Alberta: Dr. Christian Haas has made a number of helicopter-borne surveys of the ice thickness with an electromagnetic induction (EM) instrument in both the Arctic and in the Antarctic.

ICESat Satellite data:(not yet included) ICESat laser-altimeter freeboard measurements and ice thickness estimates are available sporadically from 2003 to 2009.

Now Hasbeen, you didn't link to your source for others to verify.

Perhaps the usual denialist suspects ... Anthony Watts (WUWT), Goddard and company?

OT rpg
My family and I have received threats (hence the pseudo) - monitored by the appropriate authorities. I have no idea who they are. Their actions (let alone their sick threats) are despicable. You may disagree but please, don't persue it.