ShelO wrote:

>>..I want the world that my grandchildren grow up in to be one in which people are people first and foremost and everyone is respected for their humanity.>>

You know what?

So would I.

The question is not what we want.

The question is how do we get there?

I don’t pretend to know how we get there but I know how we FAIL to get there.

We fail by:

--Pretending the world is the way we would like it to be and failing to see it as it actually is; and

--Curtailing free speech

I am going to exercise my right to free speech to tell you what I consider a REALISTIC appraisal of contemporary Islam. Not Islam as we may like it to be; but Islam as it actually is.

Note “contemporary Islam.” Ideologies change. The Islam of tomorrow may be different to the Islam of today.

After nearly five decades of encounters with Muslims on three continents, after speaking to numerous Imams, after reading the koran and many ahadith, after listening to what Muslim leaders have to say about non-Muslims – especially Jews – I have concluded that contemporary Islam is an ideology built on hatred. Hatred is part of the warp and weft of contemporary Islam.

I recognise that to some extent this is true of all religions. But right now in 2011, whatever may have been the situation in the past, the sheer ferocity of the hatred that forms part of the structure of contemporary Islam sets it apart from other religions.

The following will NOT change my mind:

--Expressing pious hopes about the future;

--Sanctimonious dismissals of legitimate concerns about what growing Muslim influence could mean for Australia;

--Name calling like "racist." Loathing an ideology is not "racism"

What would change my mind is facts that indicate I am wrong. Realistically that cannot be done by interchanges of <350 words on a website so I guess we’ll have to agree to differ.

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Ulis, this is addressed to you too.

I dislike all religions equally.They are about controlling people and little to do with spirituality.

Hitler demonised the Jews because of the economic destruction of Germany.He did not see the power of the European banks who also controlled the USA in being the real despots and war mongerers.

Today it is the Muslims being demonised primarily because their lands hold most of the World's oil.That is the reality.It is all about Western/Israeli imperialism.They want it all and will take the world to the brink of Nuclear annhilation to achieve their long term objective of a New World Order.

Banjo. Sorry mate I didn't see the critical aspect of your posts. All I read from you is your silly attempt to justify your visceral hate for Muslims. It seems for many, and this includes you, there is no such thing as unfair behavior towards Muslims. They deserve everything they get.

By the way, speaking of education, you should stop wasting your time online and go learn the difference between critique and prejudice. Huge difference. The former requires, as a pre-condition, knowledge of what you are critiquing. While the latter, all you need is a big mouth and head full of unoriginal opinions. Good on you mate

...So, who wins the war between East and West when (as I hinted above) truth, like the rainbow, is intangible.

Zack you are a fraud.

In your first post you say you cannot accept that someone could hate others because they are not muslim. Then in the last post you accuse me of hate toward muslims. This is, of course, absurd as i do not hate anyone and you have no basis for your accusation.

So is it, no one can hate anyone or can only non-muslims hate muslims.Is that not hate that cause Sunnis and Shia to kill each other in Iraq?

Note you are unable to respond to any of the points I made.

No doubt you are a fraud. This is your first posting, as is Ulis, on OLO, so would not surprise if you are students in class run by one of the authors. Looking for brownie points from teacher?

You need to improve a lot.

Bonjo. Your post above didn't make sense at all. But I don't care you were an idiot to begin with. Regarding my account I probably have 10. Do you prefer to be called a moron under under a different account? Will that improve your argument--or lack thereof?