Welcome, Dan S de Merengue.

Rebecca6 was beginning to run out of puff, what with all those devotees to the cult of reality closing in.

>>...the creation.com site. It's a good one for combatting false ideas, such as evolution<<

The problem is that - even ignoring for a moment its stance against science - it contains a whole load of "false ideas" itself.

Here's one:

"If there is no Creator-God who rules over us, then there is no ultimate basis for morality, meaning or purpose"

Taken out of context, it is just possible to see that the invention of a form of father-figure, complete with the power of judgment, punishment and indeed forgiveness (all highly admirable traits) would be one way in which to instil morality. A short-cut, in fact. Much like Rebecca6's confession earlier that... "when I considered evolution it took more faith to believe that then [sic] to have a creator"

Receptus ignavorum. The coward's retreat. The easy way out. I can't be bothered to exercise my mind any longer, so I'll believe that it all just happened the way the Bible tells me. End of discussion, end of curiosity.

To suggest, though, that this is the sole means to arrive at a code of civilized conduct that respects other people, is little more than arrogance. Unless, of course, you have already taken the decision to opt out of thinking, in which case it completes a nicely circular argument: I believe, therefore I believe. No need to think any further.

The other two legs of the argument, that the "Creator-God" provides meaning and purpose, are equally dubious. Mainly because of the assumption - again, a somewhat arrogant one - that there has to be some form of meaning and purpose in order for us to exist in the first place.

So the invention of such a purpose allows the position to be completely circular: only those who believe that there needs to be a meaning or a purpose, find it necessary to have one.

Which is mighty convenient for those peddling religion, but doesn't prove a thing.

@ Pericles,

Better yet, here's a video of a Christian being handcuffed and taken off for re-education -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FruQO8qaw9c (skip to 1:30 for the action)

The High Court in Britain also recently banned Christians from being foster parents -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361469/Christian-beliefs-DO-lose-gay-rights-Judges-ruling-devout-foster-couple-lose-case.html

Yet another persecuted Christian, this time about the cross -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7552145/Archbishop-of-Canterbury-hits-out-at-cross-ban.html

And in Canada, a street pastor get thrown in the clink -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ojDRStCCj4

This is becoming commonplace with no signs of it slowing down.

Just because persecution stories aren't on Today Tonight, ACA or Sunrise doesn't mean it's not happening :

Oh Pericles, run out of puff I did not, I realized that arguing with a fool will only lead to foolish arguments.
The Bible clearly States "men and women were created in Gods image and are equal in God's eyes" and a women is only to obey her husband not to " a superior man such as Jimmy Jones", I should not have expected more from you, in that I was wrong.
"Starting Law' by J.F.Corkery page 41 'English Law governed all the Colonies of Australia'. English law is made up of the Irish Brehon Laws and the Roman laws - the Roman laws were influenced by the Greek law and the Israel Laws..try taking the Bible out of that...Ignorance? I simply gave up combating your 'know it all' attitude.
If you were presented with every bit of evidence you'd still not believe and still hang Christ on a cross because you are simply smarter than the rest of us and know better. You will be confronted with your own futility one day and when that day comes, God will be there waiting to love you.
Criticize me as you will but you are not exempt from human condition, argue it til you feel strong and victorious, continue to breath and you will need help at some stage of your life. When you realize how very small you are like Christians do, your piece of paper won't matter.
I chose to not entertain your folly any longer. This thread is about RE, but you only take on a 'worthless woman' like me because it empowers you. Very very sad for you. I am sure your come back will involve a lot of petite comments toward me but You simply show your own ignorance. Go to Bible College before you take on the Bible,I chose small words because you obviously thrive on philosophy,but do not understand outside your own opinion, this tends to never solve a thing.
RE not RI is important, people in other countries die trying to get it under ground and here you are trying to remove it.

So, if you wanna persecute, that's OK but atleast be honest about it because when Mc Real says things like "Secularism allows for equal space for all belief systems" - he just looks a little silly :)

Peace out,

The Gangster of Truth

@rebecca,

I'm sorry if you misunderstood my sad attempt at sarcasm, but I don't actually believe women are worthless; I was merely parroting what YOUR Bible teaches.

As for your claim that the bible says "men and women are equals", I couldn't find the passage you refer to. Could you provide the reference for me?

In my search, however, I did stumble across this piece of advice from your god...

"The LORD said to Moses, “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If anyone makes a special vow to dedicate a person to the LORD by giving the equivalent value, set the value of a male between the ages of twenty and sixty at fifty shekels of silver, ... for a female, set her value at thirty shekels"

So there you go... a woman's worth is about HALF that of a man. (according to your religion, NOT to me, mind!)

Of course there are innumerable other examples I could cite from the bible about how to deal with disobedient wives, or slutty daughters, but I get the feeling you would simply ignore them as if they didn't exist.

Are you sure you've actually read your own holy scripture?? Because you sound horribly misinformed about their contents to me.

Oh, and Rebecca... "a women is only to obey her husband"

And you think that embodies equality, do you? Oh dear.

I hope you've got your husband's permission to post on this forum, because you KNOW what the bible says the punishment for disobedient wives is, don't you??