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After Bin Laden: next steps to winning the long war : Comments

By James Carafano, published 3/5/2011

The assassination of Bin Laden is not an end-point but a way station.

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@ James, pretty sure I agree with you on this issue. But accept the right of OLO to publish a range of views, even this fairly tawdry one.
What did you think of the other articles here on this subject?
Posted by Sunflower, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 11:06:52 PM
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Hi James O'Neill,
I am glad to find some sense somewhere amongst the rubbish of this discussion. How can people believe that the US have gotten rid of Bin Laden, and dumped his body after four hour, in respect of Arab laws. Too many long time retired, well off, acetic or vitriolic eight legged minds hanging off these web pages. Looks like their Agenda is more about spreading the venom than finding a solution to any issue.
François Crespel dit Gavroche.
Posted by gavroche, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 1:07:29 AM
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Hullo Sunflower. I am not sure what you mean by "other articles" on the subject. Are you referring to the coverage of the supposed demise of bin laden? If so, then they provide examples of the worst kind of journalism. Before the buildup for the Iraq war it was common to find references in the mainstream media to the likelihood that OBL was dead. That disappeared when his resurrection was necessary as part of the propaganda war. There were many other illustrations. For the media the inconvenient simply disappears down the memory hole.
The most objective analysis I have read on whether or not OBL was alive or dead is Griffin's book "Osama bin Laden: dead or alive? published in 2009. The weight of evidence pointed to him having died in December 2001 from renal failure.
Hullo Gavroche. The explanations for the rapid disposal of the body (whose is an open question) barely passes the laugh test. It is risible that they expect any half intelligent person to believe it. The Guardian (UK) has already published the photos of the deceased claimed to have been taken by the soldiers and stated quite plainly that they are fakes, having been circulating on the internet for at least two years.
There are many other aspects of the suppposed operation that do not make sense.
One would hope that a reasoned analysis would be published but that is probably a vain hope as far as our mainstream media are concerned. That was one of the main reasons I was so disappointed by OLO's publication of the article that we are commenting on. Whilst OLO is of course a proper forum for a range of opinion, in the current climate of triumphant hysteria there is a crying need for something more balanced and analytical.
Posted by James O'Neill, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 8:31:44 AM
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"rightwing claptrap that pleases Amicus and his ilk"

James, "your ad hominen attacks are becoming tiresome", and I responded to that, foolishly thinking you were a big enough man to take it, I admit, I was wrong, you're not big enough.

Hey if you can't take it, I suggest you don't start handing it out, otherwise you might look like a precious little princess stamping her little foot when he doesn't get her own way.

I choose not to reveal my identity for a number of reasons and people who challenge it in the emotional state you appear to inhabit, reinforce the logic of doing so.

How would it change anything? Are you insinuating that if I revealed my identity there would be some sort of penalty or danger to me? Do you think people can only express "rightwing claptrap" anonymously? And that if I was unmasked, I would then revert to left wing loony (LWL) opinions? .. How boring.

One reason I do not reveal my identity is so that left wing loonies do not, in a moment of progressive passion, attack me or my family physically or otherwise.

tell me jimmy, what would you do if you knew who I was?

it's a strawman isn't it .. bring up the identity thing and attack that .. yes?

jim it's OK in Australia to have a different opinion to you, if you don't like it well too bad.

I realise it is tiresome to have anyone disagree with you, but it's your problem, not mine

Osama deserved to die, he claimed responsibility for killing thousands and encouraged killing more. Yes, they should prove he is dead, and they will - but when the photos are released with his head half missing, I expect the LWLs to be outraged that it is shown worldwide .. always the outrage and confected offence.

Personally I am grossly offended that anyone thinks he didn't deserve to die, however it could be achieved.
Posted by Amicus, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 8:40:53 AM
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Americuss,
I think that after the tirades we have been having from you on this thread, enough is enough. It is not a debate now just a slanging match in place of reasoned argument and factual points.
OK one last point and then I will cease arguing with you.
You claim that the 3 sites I gave were “conspiracy sites”.
I have one question for you and hopefully will get a straight answer.
Do you believe that the Taliban sent representatives at the invitation of the US, to discuss the possibility of a pipeline across Afghanistan.
Just a simple yes or no answer please.
Posted by sarnian, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 9:49:55 AM
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sarnian, in response to the “Get Out Now” proposition, I suggested that there were many issues to consider first and I nominated some of those that might pose risk.

It is good that you have considered the possible consequences of such a proposition and that you now draw the conclusion that this would cause “carnage at first” and “civil war again until equilibrium is reached”, whenever that might be.

We are fortunate that those making such decisions demonstrate more compassion for human suffering than you.

Your proposal sounds great and all “some people” have to do is die or be maimed in your “carnage and civil war” in order to fulfill your ideological wishes.

Congratulations. Reality really does bite doesn’t it?

Now you can go off and “coagulate” with other like minded bleeding hearts.
Posted by spindoc, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 11:07:25 AM
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