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How puny are you? : Comments

By Valerie Yule, published 8/4/2011

An Internet guide to how man is changing the world. What are you going to do about it?

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SPQR,
your links establish nothing.. What's your point?
There's nothing novel about successful species populating exponentially, and nothing novel about humans doing it in history. But the current explosion, since the industrial revolution, is unprecedented. Only capitalism (so far) has been able to drive and cater to such an explosion of population as we're amid. Your bacteria in a test tube is a controlled experiment whereby life responds to a given food supply and a supportive environment. When the supply is exhausted a massive die-off occurs. The second link draws exactly that parallel with the current human J curve, implying that once consumption peaks and the supportive environment degrades, a mass die-off occurs.
In my opinion the (earthly, not your divine ones) powers that be are well aware of this impending scenario and are intent on using the incredible power and adaptability of mass-consumption to drive innovation, specifically in the area of renewables--hence taxing the bogeyman but not shrinking the consumption dynamic; consumption is harnessed and goaded towards new technologies. The "chosen ones", the tiny percentile that remains after the die-off, will inherit an albeit despoiled Earth, but also the sustainable survival technologies that were developed by the swarm.
It's a brilliant evolutionary strategy, actually, I just resent humanity being exploited in this way.
Posted by Squeers, Sunday, 10 April 2011 6:00:21 AM
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Squeers,
/// Life responds to a given food supply and a supportive environment. When the supply is exhausted a massive die-off occurs///

Agreed, there is nothing novel about it. You can delay it. Use technology to squeeze a little bit more out of the food crop .Or pack off the excess numbers under the guise of refugees to a less crowded locale. But it only delays the crunch.

It’s a law older than any revealed to Moses and more basic than any Marx ever dreamed-up (and incidentally where science trumps all sorts of philosophy)

A large part of humanity is behaving like bacteria: eat, defecate, and quickly reproduce.And another large part of humanity –found in great numbers on this forum – is telling the first group "its not your fault times are tough, its all to do with AGW , or infidels, or capitalism/exploitation --Just keep doing it".

Pictures of humans behaving like bacteria:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMZ6zt3OHK8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSgBL7gpAk
Posted by SPQR, Sunday, 10 April 2011 7:54:21 AM
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SPQR,

"A large part of humanity is behaving like bacteria: eat, defecate, and quickly reproduce...."

Not at all...the ones rapidly reproducing are doing so as a survival technique because the ones controlling their fertility are the ones appropriating most of the resources.

The UN Development Program reports that the richest 20 percent of the world's population consume 86 percent of the world's resources, while the poorest 80 percent consume just 14 percent of the world's resources.

The world's richest 20 percent just happen to adhere to rampant capitalism. It's they who strip the planet of it's resources while shaking a disparaging finger at the rest of humanity.
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 10 April 2011 8:30:24 AM
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LOL, Poirot.

Actually, I was thinking of you when I wrote these lines:
“And all of it was totally unnecessary since my post wasn’t specifically aimed at you, but the pack you run with, among whom are indeed some who harbour the fantasy that if we reverted to an earlier more innocent age everything would right itself.”

And speak of the devil, there you are spouting the your usual script
/// Not at all...the ones rapidly reproducing are doing so as a survival technique because the ones controlling their fertility are the ones appropriating most of the resources.///

Tell me, how are the ones who control most of the resources --who you above identify as the west —dictating the following countries fertility rates?

http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=21&c=tc&l=en
or this
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=21&c=ym&l=en
or this
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=21&c=sa&l=en

Here’s the real cause:

“Over 80 percent of the population know about family planning methods, but the problem lies in practice he said
He said some thought family planning would lead to health problems and that it was not allowed in Islam.”
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,IRIN,,YEM,487f10c3c,0.html

So it seems it has little to do with those dastardly capitalist exploiters – sorry Poirot, that was one case you didn’t solve.
Posted by SPQR, Sunday, 10 April 2011 9:26:49 AM
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Poirot,

The richest 20% of the global population can only be consuming 86% of the resources if "resources" is being used in a very selective way. This sort of language is used to imply that everyone would have enough if the richer people would just share.

To apply a reality check, take a look at the Global Footprint Network site. Their atlas contains tables showing the per capita environmental footprint (rough measure of consumption) in notional hectares for individual nations. (The methodology is explained.) They also group nations by income. Approximately 1.3 billion of us live in low income countries such as Pakistan, with a group average per capita footprint of 1.19 hectares (ha). About 3.5 billion live in lower middle income countries such as Albania or Honduras with an average footprint of 1.64 ha. 0.8 billion live in upper middle countries such as Mexico or Poland, with an average footprint of 3.31 ha. About 1 billion live in high income countries with an average footprint of 6.09 ha (United States is 8 ha). The global average is 2.70 ha, implying a standard of living like that of Turkey.

By multiplying average footprint by number of people, it is possible to calculate that the top billion are responsible for about 35% of the consumption. If all these people were raptured up into the sky and their consumption was divided among the remaining 5.7 billion, the average global footprint would go up to 3.19, the same as Paraguay. If the top billion just cut their average footprint to 2.7 ha and selflessly made the rest of their consumption available to everyone else, then the average for everyone not in the top billion would rise to 2.40 ha from 1.78 ha.

However, these figures are strictly temporary, since global population is continuing to grow at about 80 million a year. An even more important factor is that we are in global overshoot and using resources equivalent to those of 1.4 earths, essentially because we are using up renewable resources faster than they can be replenished. Sharing is no substitute for fewer babies.
Posted by Divergence, Sunday, 10 April 2011 4:46:59 PM
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Valerie Yule,

Or should I say ‘Vox Clamantis in Deserto’.

Logic has little possibility of penetrating the wall of years and years of indoctrination that bathes civilized man since its very birth.

So is no wonder that a powerful call to reason like yours hits the impenetrable wall of ignorance.

When ‘Logic fails to break into ignorance, skeptics like me claim victory, “Pyrrhic Victory”.
Posted by skeptic, Sunday, 10 April 2011 8:19:37 PM
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