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Some contributors in this forum characterize the Palestinians as victims (which they are, of both the Jewish settlers along with the Israeli government which supports them and not the least, of their own leaders), but in fact, the main victims of the Jewish aggression, though not mentioned as often, are the ordinary Israeli people. You seem to assume, wrongly, that they are somehow obliged to sacrifice their life, their well-being, their morals and their good name for the sake of your Jewish ideological greediness for land and control. No, they are not!

Regarding the tsunami analogy:

Muslims do not accept non-Muslims in their region in the same way that the ocean does not accept being pushed up 10 metres without flowing over to the sides. Just as the ocean does not care whether it innundates houses or factories, fields or nuclear-reactors, so the Muslim-Arabs do not care whether the "others" in their area are Jews or Israelis or Japanese for that matter. That's just how it is in the Middle-East: live-with-it-or-leave-it.

Pick your geographical nemesis. Be it fires or hurricanes, earthquakes or drought, extreme heat or extreme cold, pollution or dictatorship. No spot on earth is free of strife, so if you chose the Muslims/Arabs, get on with it and please do not complain!

# David G

You state:

"Well, folks, if the Singer is right, then we all have the right to trace our ancestry back and lay claim to whatever our long distant relatives owned thousands of years ago!"

My answer:

You have to do one more thing folks - get the international community to back your claim.

This is precisely what the League of Nations did when it unanimously recognized the Jewish people's historical connection with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.

Until you - and others of your ilk - accept the legal significance of this one momentous event - you will continue to fail to understand the nature of this conflict and expose your comments as being totally naive and ill-informed.

You would indeed be better off accepting your own advice and just ignore me. You have nothing of any value to contribute to the discussion.

I must decline your suggestion that I act as your legal representative. Clients who are not prepared to accept their legal representative's advice soon find they have to shop around for a new lawyer.

Well, I guess I have to swallow my disappointment about you declining my invitation to represent me, Singer.

I guess what stops me falling into a complete state of depression is that you're not really prosecuting your case for the Jews very well either given the nature of most comments that accompany your all too frequent missives.

No one agrees with you, Singer, because the cause you are espousing is ridiculous. That the League of Nations voted as they did shows only that humans can be easily manipulated, not that your cause has any worth or substance.

When you show some consistency and start arguing that anyone can go way back in time and lodge a claim for land that their ancestors once lived on, then you might have some credibility though not with most members of your 'profession'.

I won't hold my breath!

#Yuyutsu

There was no border between Israel and Jordan during 1948-1967 - only an armistice line to show where hostilities had ended at the time a cease fire was declared after Jordan's invasion of western Palestine.

Jordan's subsequent attempt to unify the West Bank with the East Bank by a joint sitting of Parliament comprising West Bank and East Bank Arabs in 1950 was never recognized by the international community.

You just can't bury your head in the sand and ignore these fundamental facts.

The applicability of the Geneva Convention to an area of land occupied by Israel in 1967 - within which Jews were legally entitled to settle pursuant to rights created 28 years before the Convention came into existence and where internationally recognized sovereignty belonged to no State - does not in my opinion have any validity or substance.

I have consistently called for a dialogue between Jordan and Israel to see if they can agree on restoring the status quo as far possible to that which existed when - in your own words the area to the east of Israel had just one colour, with just one label across both sides of the Jordan river: "JORDAN".

Any other solution is - and has always been - wishful thinking.

Continuing to equate acts of God with deliberate murder makes you appear really foolish.

#David G

The only human beings being easily manipulated are those who are brainwashed by Arab propaganda rather than formulating their own opinions based on cold hard facts.

You dismiss the legally binding decisions of the League of Nations and the United Nations. Acting in defiance of the law has caused the Palestinian Arabs much suffering.

You are also very inconsistent. In one post you commend me for possessing great skill. In the next post you accuse me of not prosecuting the case for the Jews very well. Tut tut.

Anyone is entitled to make and prosecute a claim and seek legal recognition of that claim. Ever heard of the Aborigines and the Red Indians?

Yes, I have heard of the Aborigines and the Red Indians, David.

They both have much in common with the Palestinians. The three groups have been crushed by superior armed forces which were/are led by folk who totally lack conscience, morality, ethics, generousity or compassion.

Dear David Singer,

You really do have trouble answering anything substantive I challenge you with don't you. Being 'slippery' isn't a nice thing to call a lawyer but I'm hard pressed to think of another term.

I highlighted to the others your “almost pathological avoidance of the word 'Palestinians' when referring to Palestinians” and your insistence on using the term 'Jews' and 'Arabs'. You offered as a response;

“The Mandate in 1922 didn't even mention "Arabs" or "Palestinians". It spoke of the "non-Jewish communities" in Palestine.”

My response? Get your hand off it mate.

Article 7 of the Mandate reads; “The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.”

Citizenship implies a 'State'.

When subsequent to this the predominately Jewish portion of the Palestinian citizenry decided to cede and create a separate state those left do not cease being Palestinians even if they mainly Arabs.

There are official UN bodies including The Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, the United Nations Development Programme/Programme of Assistance to the Palestinian People, the UNESCO Programme of Assistance to the Palestinian People, and The United Nations Register of Damage Caused by the Construction of the Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory that freely use the word Palestinians.

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