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Cyberbullying, that schoolyard body slam, and footballers behaving badly : Comments
By Peter West, published 18/3/2011School fights, once confined to the school yard can have an audience of millions, with severe ramifications for those involved.
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Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 21 March 2011 10:25:55 PM
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"The teachers never intervened, ever. "
I think this is still the case in many schools, and this is negligence by the teachers, and under risk management legislation, they can be convicted and tried in a court for this. The system of blaming the parents is a part of an excuse system, so that teachers can do as little as possible, while getting as much as they can from the taxpayer. Children get up to all sorts of mischief, and I have found that even 18 year olds (or older) need parental guidance to some extent, and leaving younger children unsupervised in playgrounds is negligence. Posted by vanna, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 5:32:36 AM
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The scenario of retaliating only when provoked was a very simple model that my Dad gave to me when I was a child. The old school model was quite often to teach the kid to defend himself, so boxing lessons from Dad was my defence mechanism. It worked for me. Suddenly and perhaps sadly the bullies focussed their attention on the next poor soul. The problem isn't a new one, it's simply more visible and publicised than ever before IMO. Our overly PC culture almost prevents teachers from having the authority to pull bullies aside and give them a good talking to about their behaviour. Parents themselves abdicate responsibility by thinking that it's the teachers job to keep the kids under control when they're at school. Discipline is the unpopular word that is missing in both of these areas.
This behaviour will only stop when teachers and parents combine and send a clear, consistent message to ALL the bullies that this kind of behaviour is not going to be tollerated either at school or at home. Posted by Radar, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 8:01:35 AM
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Radar "Parents themselves abdicate responsibility by thinking that it's the teachers job to keep the kids under control when they're at school."
From teachers I've had discussions with the problem is more that parents don't think that it's the teachers job to keep their kid under control. Many strongly resent and work against discipline of their child. R0bert Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 8:52:55 AM
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Radar,
It is "the teachers job to keep the kids under control when they're at school". The teachers need not worry about the parents. The teachers need to worry about probable prosecution and litigation if the children are being placed at risk. Posted by vanna, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 4:26:44 PM
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Some information on negligence in schools and teacher responsibility,
"There are two aspects to negligence in schools. 1 The negligence of teachers to students. Teachers have a duty of care to students to provide adequate supervision. This may occur in the playground, on the sports field, in the classroom or on an excursion. Under the doctrine of vicarious liability the school authority may be liable to pay the plaintiff for the negligence of teachers. It does not however, negate the personal liability of the teacher. 2 The negligence of school authorities. Negligence of school authorities may arise where the grounds or equipment are unsafe and a student is injured. School authorities have a nondelegable duty to students to ensure that reasonable care is taken for the safety of children at school. Now for the important part To be successful in an action of negligence the plaintiff must prove all elements of negligence according to the civil standard of proof, which is, on the balance of probabilities. This means the plaintiff must satisfy the court that his or her version of the events is more probable than not. The plaintiff must first prove that he or she was owed a duty of care. It would be extremely difficult for a defendant to successfully argue that a student was not owed a duty of care. Secondly, that a breach of duty care or the required standard of care was not met and finally that the injury was caused by the breach of duty. THE VERY IMPORTANT PART WITHIN THE IMPORTANT PART WAS "It would be extremely difficult for a defendant to successfully argue that a student was not owed a duty of care."\ http://ajte.education.ecu.edu.au/ISSUES/PDF/251/Newnham.pdf If any teacher or principal decides to blame parents, and not take responsibility for correct supervision of children at their school, they should get all that solicitors can throw at them. Posted by vanna, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 6:33:41 PM
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Due to my father's work I went to 17 schools. As a perpetual new boy, & small when I was younger, I found myself being picked by the bully at every new school. The teachers never intervened, ever.
After one bad bashing, dad found out, & taught me to fight. As he had been his divisional champion during the war, I was well taught. After that, within a couple of days at a new school, I would sort out the bully who picked on me, & then have no further trouble, until the next school.
Later by high school, I had been taught to be a good enough footballer, & cricketer to make the school teams. Somehow then the bullying just stopped. Perhaps I had a confidence, lacking when I was younger, that deterred the bully, before it started.
What ever it was, I have not had to raise a hand to anyone since I was about 12 years old.
However I still remember what it was like. I particularly hated the third or fourth string bully, who had to give you a whack, when the top bully had finished