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Will PM Gillard Deliver Foreign Policy Innovation on Macedonia? : Comments

By Ordan Andreevski, published 24/2/2011

Australia's stance on Macedonia is at odds with some of her strongest allies.

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To some extent I don't care what you call yourselves, especially in your home.

However, lets look at this analogy. Its like someone was to come into a home and state that the living room belonged to them! Ridiculous!

On the name issue, Greece has made many concessions.

At the end of the day, FYROM will have the word Macedonia in the title. Why not accept that and move on to more important issues like language, cultural and property rights within Greek Macedonia.
Posted by Savvas Tzionis, Friday, 25 February 2011 10:44:48 AM
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PM Gillard should know,there are thousands of Macedonia emigrees in Australia.Also she should know 4 out of 5 permanent security members recognised the Republic of Macedonia with its constitutional name.As to the comment by Tzionis;its not only Lerin,Kostur Voden,Solun Macedonian,but right down to Olympus.You are dreaming of the "Big Idea"dont you?You are forgettin 400 years under the Ottoman Empire.Who owned whom?Macedonia was divided by the Big Powers illigally in 1913.Macedonia never belonged to Greece.The fact is,Greece belonged to ancient Macedonians,not the othere way around.Can we claim Alexanders Empire as our lands?I quess not,so Greece cannot claim Macedonia is Greek for same reasons,or Ismir,Constantinopole as Greek.Just remember,Greek history stoped to exist in 338 BC untill 1829.
Posted by Macedon, Saturday, 26 February 2011 1:31:40 AM
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Mr. Savvas says this >>>
"To some extent I don't care what you call yourselves, especially in your home. However, lets look at this analogy. Its like someone was to come into a home and state that the living room belonged to them! Ridiculous!"

Your analogy is deeply flawed. The Macedonians are not "visitors" in Macedonia, they are an aboriginal people who come from all parts of Macedonia, including the part in Greece since 1913. No one is attempting to change borders, and no one is capable to change the if they wanted to. So that part is essentially a huge Greek lie.

The Greek people will always be welcome to live in Macedonia, regardless of what happens, they have nothing to fear. No one is seeking a fascist "pure state" - that is the language of another era long gone. Macedonia is multi-ethnic - always has been always will be. If Greeks want to honor aspects of Macedonian history, there is no harm in it. But Greeks have no "copyright" on Macedonia, or on Macedonian history, not at all.

Mr. Savvas says >>>
"On the name issue, Greece has made many concessions. At the end of the day, FYROM will have the word Macedonia in the title. Why not accept that and move on to more important issues like language, cultural and property rights within Greek Macedonia."

Greece has not made one iota of concession! Rather, it has destabilized the region and victimized a poorer, weaker neighbor as means of oppressing Greece's own ethnic minority, one of many ethnic minorities in the country, that have no human rights to express themselves or to preserve their culture.

It's the same dynamic you see in Greek-Albanian relations, in Greek-Bulgarian relations, in Greek-Turkish relations as well. The pattern is familiar.
Posted by egejche, Saturday, 26 February 2011 1:51:35 PM
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Posted by Lerin, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 5:00:30 PM
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Sawas,you are right by saying;its like coming to my living room and claim it is yours.The problem is,you Greeks came to Macedonia and to our living rooms in 1913.Ever since,you Greeks want to expropriate not only our living room,but,my name,my identity,my culture and language.Dont you think,your thesis is RIDICOLOUS as you put it?Who is in whos living room?On the Greek concessions,what do you mean?Greece expropriated our land through the Big Powers in 1913.Greece has nothing to conceed,Macedonia is not theirs to make any concessions.You talk about property,language,culture and identity within Greece.Read what Mitsotakis said in 1995 on the question of the recognition of the Macedonian minority within Greeces borders.How can a Cypriot claim he is Macedonian(Droutsas)who is born in Cypros from a Cypriot father and a Austrian mother,but the indigenouse Macedonians cannot identify themselves as Macedonians in their own living room.The Macedonian minority in Greece are being prosecuted for simply identifying themselves as Macedonians.Former G.Papandreos adviser on a local TV interview was complaining,why the Macedonian people are using"sto prajsh".I posed a simple question to him on live TV.He was deffending the Palestinians,blaming Israel.The question was:What is the difference between the Palestinians and the Macedonians in Greece.He never answered the question,came back to it on three occassions by skiping the real issue.He had no guts to come back and address the issue.Thats your civilized Greece?.
Posted by Macedon, Thursday, 17 March 2011 4:24:26 AM
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Hello Macedon,

Please explain this statement...
"you Greeks want to expropriate not only our living room"

This statement is silly.
"The Macedonian minority in Greece are being prosecuted for simply identifying themselves as Macedonians"

Who are the indigenous people of the big towns of Macedonia, Halkithiki, even the Slavophones, who identify as Greeks? Are they not Macedonians? Its quite funny. If your wish to be allowed to claim a Macedonian identity was to start to create traction within Greece, the obvious reaction would be for the Greek Macedonians to start calling themselves simply Macedonians! Now you may think this would simply be a political move, but isn't part of the Slav-Macedonian movement political?

This land grab that occured in 1913... like I said... I am happy for Greece to give you Florina... as long as you assist Greece is taking back its property in Eastern Thrace, Smyrna, Pontus, and Constantinople.
Posted by Savvas Tzionis, Thursday, 17 March 2011 1:26:56 PM
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