Just to clarify my last point re "Macedonia and Greece". I am talking about the state within Greeces' current border's, not FYROM.

What is often not mentioned is that there are three dimensions to this.

1) The name to be decided upon for use when FYROM and Greece interact bilaterally. No solution here as yet.
2) The name to be used by third states. This is where FYROM has had the most success with ahving other countries call them 'Macedonia'.
3) The name to be used in multilateral organisations like the UN, EU, etc. Here is where FYROM has been decided upon temporarily.

How long will Macedonian people in Australai have to wait for Julia Gilard to make policy changes!! its a shame that Australia still has not recognised Macedonia under its constitutional name in spite of enormous contribution that Macedonian people gave to this country. therefor they should nt be treated like FYROM, Slavs or Greeks....That is disciminating. We are simply Macedonians..
I think its time for Australia to say Macedonia and repair international image.

>>>>>> Savvas Tzionis <<<<<<<<<<<

ok i can go with the name north macedonia as long greece rename it self to its usefull name MALAKA thats right MALAKA

for some people who dont know what MALAKA is here is an explanation so we all are on the same page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyWU-0ppug0

ENJOY

To Sawa Tzionis- Just to let you know there are no Greek macedonians and there are no slavic macedonians- simply there are just Macedonians.

How would you classify greek macedonian? or a greek Albanian? there a more than a million of Albanians living there now? And when did you learn that macedonians are greeks- 10 years a go. I am sure you had no idea about all this before that. Akso check the map of the Balkans from 1829 before king Otto from Germany founded his own greek state- its only arround Athens exactly where real greeks lived in the time of Alexander the great. Double check what happened in 1913 when Macedonians are presecuted and expelled from their land just to bring the greek refugees from asia minor.

Savvas,
My friend, the fact that you haven't heard of something doesn't mean a lot in this world. Be honest, how hard are you looking? And what incentive do Macedonians have to proclaim themselves openly, considering the history of the conflict and the current regime, which is too busy telling us what we are and threatening us when we disagree, not asking us.

We are a nation of 5 million, we cannot simply rename ourselves, not even if we wanted to, and certainly not because it's convenient for a belligerent neighbor who essentially hates our guts. We are Makedonci, in English that is Macedonians, and we have no other name, no secondary name.

Your position is that you have three names - sometimes you are Hellenes, sometimes you are Greeks, and now, you are Makedonnes as well? Ultimately, what you should name yourself is none of my business, it's up to you. But, if you seek an outside opinion, I think Greek is the perfect name for you. Since, according to the Greek view, Macedonia is not a nation but rather a region, then there is no confusion at all. You are simply Greeks - sounds great. If you want to emphasize that you are Greeks from Macedonia, then you can call yourselves that too, no problem. Greco-Macedonian, Macedonian-Greeks, Greeks of Macedonia, Hellenic Macedonians... many choices, all are very clear. As for us, yes, our language is Slavic, but we don't identify as Slavs, nor as Bulgarians, nor as Vardarians, or anything like that. Our name is Macedonians, that is OUR business.

It's not brain surgery, Savvas, it's just basic respect. We are going to be neighbors either way, it's best to make friends and focus on real problems and shared interests.