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Will democracy in Egypt benefit the Palestinians? : Comments

By Alan Hart, published 15/2/2011

How much pressure will the US and Israel be able to put on the new Egyptian government?

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When there are protests in Islamist IRAN, the closet Islamists Muslim, Hussein Obama's big mouth is tightly shut.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/02/20112158387191255.html
Posted by Philip Tang, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 2:17:29 AM
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Philip,

Today, we saw both the weak Obama making another rhetorical comment, his trademark and only function in life and the disgraced Secretary of Hate, Clinton also went through her paces as well, carefully orchestrated of course, as has been their Israeli-inspired 'Iran has nuclear weapons' campaign.
Some difference between the two countries though as well we know. Egypt was (maybe still is) a compliant receiver of US aid in the way of US weaponry, not food, a contributing factor to the current revolution, and Iran is seen by the US as a belligerent nuclear power, another lie, but certainly not a country that jumps to the dictates of the US, thereby making it unique in the world.

Terrorists America cannot tolerate anyone that doesn't toe the line. See Chile, a socialist elected democratic government overthrown by the US, then 16 years of murder and mayhem with Pinochet; Cuba, ousting a US supported hated dictator for revolutionary government, so the big bully places an embargo for 45 years. Word limits restrict further examples, but it is well documented.

What the US cannot tolerate is that lack of subservience from a country that will be the mainstay of the Arab states soon, that has a highly intelligent and well educated population, an enviable cultural history, lot of freedoms but not all they need. That will come. By the way, Iran's way of handling dissention as we have clearly seen is by force, yes, well organised force. But you can only do that do many times. As in the US, The shootings at Kent State University in Ohio, involved the shooting of unarmed college students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis. Some of the students had only been protesting against the American invasion of Cambodia.

Is the US any better? American history is full of such events. It is the nature of an arrogant beast with a convenient memory.
Posted by rexw, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 8:16:54 AM
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Israelis are beset with many and terrible problems (Zionism included), but being suicidal is not one of them. Only a fool can believe that increasing the military pressure on israel, such as by adding a southern front (on top of its existing Iranian front with its Lebanese and Gazan extensions), will make it yield, relinquish its security assets and accept its death peacefully, that all Israelis will simply give up their life on a silver-platter just to be nice so that other countries will not have their oil supply and economies distrupted.

With a new frontier in the south, Israel will unite, zionist-or-otherwise. Even the Israeli Left will close ranks with the zionists when survival is at stake.

Be sure that if Israel finds itself on the brink of extinction, its nukes will fly all over the well-deserved region and there will be no more middle-eastern oil for anyone, forever.

Perhaps people like Alan feel that the price for seeing Israel wiped out is worth it, but then he must also forget about his oil-supply, his economy, his environment and other such niceties. It is in doubt in fact whether any humans will survive the resulting nuclear winter.

If Arab countries want to help the Palestinians (do they?) then they must assure Israel that it is secure enough to afford to let go on its Palestinian front. This may come together with civil and moral pressure, but a military pressure would only achieve the opposite.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 8:42:26 AM
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Whatever the reaction of Israel to a threat, a military counter effort should be not be a consideration.

Israel's reactions to the Palestinians, their commitment to inhumane ethnic cleansing, their apartheid policy and their disdain for any resolutions of the United Nations all with the US veto , have shown without doubt that they are a psychotic people. The world knows it, especially the Americans, who through their weakness , following the dictates of Israel, have let it all go too far. The problems in the Middle East can only be resolved in Washington.

Most forward thinking analysts consider that the apathetic nature of the people of the US will one way wake up to the real facts of 9/11 and will vent their anger on Israel. The US is now disrespected by the rest of the world, and when the people finally awake to how they have been maniipulated, we will see a very angry country. Just like Egypt.
But change must come from the people as the Congress is so corrupt and far too comfortable with its corruption right now.

The most important single item that the people of the world can do is to show Israel that further military plots resulting in wars such as Iraq and Afghanistan, this time using Iran as the target, are not acceptable any more. They engineered the motivation for Iraq, 4,000 US soldiers killed and hundreds of thousands ot Iraqis, the strategically attractive and financially rewarding war, funded by drugs that Afghanistan has become, and are actively involved in the next area, that is Pakistan, another strong Muslim country, this time also using the corruptibility that is India to assist as a willing partner. The Indian RAW, another Mossad, another CIA, covert actions a speciality. Of course, behind it all is the money and resources of the ever-willing CIA, just another exercise like Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, all of South America, Cuba and on it goes.

The terrorist brigades. All legal, government owned , funded and controlled, heroes in their own countries..

The world is tiring of such people.
Posted by Rhys Stanley, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 12:02:48 PM
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IRAN is an example that democracy and Islam (Muslim-majority) are not compatible. The Muslim-majority will surely (sooner or later) bring in shariah law, kill off the non-Muslim minorities. This fact has been documented again and again.

An Islamic country can only have two choices

(i) Have an autocratic regime, like when IRAQ was under Saddam Hussein or Egypt under Mubarak. The autocratic leaders bring stability because the alternative is violence and genocide of the non-Muslim minorities like in Sudan, Pakistan, Somalia.

(ii) Democracy for only one term. Because when the Muslim-majority comes to power it will start to implement shariah law like in Turkey (e.g. making it impossible to sell pork http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aC4.f2m9HcDg&refer=news ) IRAN is more honest than TURKEY because IRAN openly states that it is an Islamic Republic whereas TURKEY behaves more like HUSSEIN OBAMA the closet Islamist.

The lesser of the two evils is (i).

The Palestinian/Israeli conflict has become a Islamic/non-Islamic conflict because the Islamists have killed off the remaining Palestinian non-Muslims or they have migrated to other countries.

Evidential review of Islam and/or Islamic countries show that they are linked to poverty, corruption, failed state, rape, murder, illiteracy, etc.

World migration pattern is almost always of Muslims leaving Islamic countries trying to get into the non-Muslim countries e.g. the West. Very seldom the other way round.

The only hope for Muslims is not democracy but to realise that they have been drinking from a poisonous source, THE HATE MANUAL. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm
Posted by Philip Tang, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 12:28:33 PM
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The rhetoric and everyone's assumptions are that the nukes are designed for defence against Israel. There is another far more likely scenario.

Considering that Israel has the most sophisticated anti missile technology that could stop a fair proportion of Iran's missiles, and whose retaliations are renowned for being vastly out of proportion, there is no scenario where Iran could contemplate using nukes against Israel without facing annihilation.

However, none of its supposed Muslim neighbours have the ability to defend or counter attack against such a strike. Having fought and largely lost a bloody decade long expansionist war against Iraq, and still harbouring those expansionary ambitions, Nukes give Iran a big stick that it can use for future aggressive negotiations with any of its 7 odd neighbours.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 1:34:12 PM
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