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By Antony Loewenstein, published 11/2/2011When it comes to unknown unknowns, Wikileaks is head and shoulders the best source.
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Posted by King Hazza, Friday, 11 February 2011 12:32:19 PM
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I tend to agree with rexw.His leaks are very selective and the US State Dept approves what's printed anyway.Why has not Assange tackled really big issues like the missing $2.3 trillion that Rumsfeld announced the day before 911?
I think Assange will be used to demonise Iran and thus justify its invasion. Posted by Arjay, Friday, 11 February 2011 5:22:19 PM
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The commenter who calls himself 'King Hazza' suggests that readers take a trip to ‘Wikileaks, Israel' on the web, but failed to mention that on this site one can find four or five selected leaks apparently putting my argument into the bin.
Seems that way but nothing that was disclosed in those 'selected' leaks, out of over 1100 that had hit the streets, was unknown to anyone who is familiar with the activities and philosophies of Israel. All were 'old news' among the analysts and interested parties. At the risk of being called a liar once again, may I respectfully suggest that he read just one article from the Veterans Today website...... (that is US Veterans from all the military dalliances that the US has engaged in for the past 40 years, thousands in numbers.)..... They were once heroes, still are to most thinking people and somewhat tired of being used as the fodder for Israeli objectives. http://mycatbirdseat.com/2010/11/gordon-duff-wikileaks-a-touch-of-assange-and-the-stench-of-aipac/ Then if anyone would like to expand their horizons even further, hook on to 85% of all the real uncompromised journalists and professional authors around the world, all on the web somewhere if one wants to search them out, who echo these comments in varying degrees. Jeff Gates, Alan Hart, Gordon Duff, John Pilger......the list is endless, thousands representing the real truth. Because they do not appear on the pages of Murdoch publications, anywhere, which the comfortable and disinterested use as their printed word, this fact alone gives such writers all the credibility that the the world’s readers need. Would have liked to have mentioned all this before but word limitations force one to be economical, not verbose, sometimes losing emphasis and unable to backup comments as one would like. At least people in this country who are suspicious of Assange and his Wikileaks enterprise, soon to be aired in public, have not demanded that Assange be "diappeared" (sorry, that is the word they used)as have many of the notable elected persons and religious lights in the US Congress and Senate. Democracy is great. That is where people should direct their arrows. Posted by rexw, Friday, 11 February 2011 7:25:05 PM
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Arjay- why would they be leaked?
For intelligence and inside-infomation to the likes of top-level scandals and the highest level of domestic intelligence, the documents, orders, invoices would pass through offices of selected personnel who are less likely to leak. Most of the leaked documents are the kinds of things that would pass through more people (or more ordinary employees)- especially those of foreign relations documents that travel through embassies)- and thus more likely to be leaked (the majority are eye-witness or embassy papers). Governments are not some kind of monolithic organization- they are dozens upon dozens of separate offices to which the paperwork is divided among. Of course, I guarantee that now they will be deliberately leaking false articles (such as the 'high security snake venom facility that terrorists must not know about' report to demonize Wikileaks as a security threat) Strange Rex how you didn't want to address that story. Why would Mossad want to let everyone know (or think) that they are secretly strangling the Palestinian economy, or confirm they are actively pushing for an invasion against Iran? And why would they want to create a news source that demonizes its only allies in the Middle East? Perhaps the person fooled by Murdoch is in fact you- after all, Murdoch was recently caught out in Wikileaks also- and it would do him, the US government, AND Israel a huge favor to convince everyone that Wikileaks is actually their own false-flag,and thus don't read it. And of course there is the possibility that the people putting forward the 'false flag' statement are in fact little Murdoch-patriot cheerleaders themselves. Posted by King Hazza, Saturday, 12 February 2011 12:39:03 AM
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Now that I have established how the nature of process of the leaks are both possible and logically feasible, could you both now explain how your 'true' sources would get THEIR information?
Is John Pilger an expert spy that sneaks into the Israeli Prime Minister's office and personally inspects his documents and observes his phone calls and party conferences? Does Alan Huff have the quick-dial number of a Mossad 2nd in command to keep him up to date with their latest schemes? Do tell. And also explain what these governments would have to gain at the cost of international pariah status and confirming every accuser and conspiracy theorist RIGHT about their misconduct and true policy and depicting all of their political schemes (That they personally benefit from) as completely fraudulent and their alleged claims to justify them as outright fabrications? Posted by King Hazza, Saturday, 12 February 2011 12:46:34 AM
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Daniel Domscheit-Berg has broken away from Wikileaks and started Open Leaks.This perhaps explains the anomolies and the friction between Assange and some of his co-workers.Assange does not tackle really big issues.I think some people like Daniel have released material that Assange has not approved of ie information that damns Israel.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 12 February 2011 6:58:56 AM
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It is hands down the ONLY way a democratic society could ever expect to function properly, and ensure we, the voting public have as much wisdom and insight as to who we vote for and therefore allow to act on our behalf with our societies.
Imagine voting for Tony Abbot to keep the boats away after learning of his little backstabbing deal to let them in secretly to bribe Wilkie into crossing the floor to them?
All the people who fear freedom of information in a democracy would, in my opinion, be much more at home in a dictatorship, where they can whip up a hyseria that the sky will fall down if their current leader might have less than a perfect mandate.
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You know Rexw, it isn't nice to LIE.
For example, typing "wikileaks, Israel" into Google would immediately prove you wrong, with plenty of stories of Israeli scandals, including the Israeli government/Mossad trying to secretly and artificially sabotage the Palestinian economy to weaken the state.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/wikileaks-israel-aimed-to-keep-gaza-economy-on-brink-of-collapse-1.335354
But never mind that, keep sticking to your definitely-non-partisan conspiracy sites about evil Hebrew secret societies plotting world domination from the most inhospitable regions of the world.
They wouldn't possibly lie to you, right?
Anyway, let me explain to you how Wikileaks works.
People who are affiliated with government offices, leak documents- because Wikileaks exists, they leak it to Wikileaks. The governments with the most members willing to leak- or have the most things to leak about, end up being the countries most represented.
On the site itself, they have a counter as to how many documents they get per-country, clear for anyone to see.